• AugustWest@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    23 hours ago

    What is funny is who the hell wants to save to a Documents folder? People are used to that now, but a lot of didn’t like that either.

    • MisterFrog@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      6 days ago

      Work forced our update and it’s massively slowed down everyone’s computers.

      The IT guy gave me this knowing look when I came to ask if I could do anything about it.

      Nope.

      Bloody ridiculous because in terms of functionality it’s a step backwards in many areas, some decent little improvements in very few areas, and overall trash performance.

      Really wish they had paid for extended security updates.

  • apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    47
    arrow-down
    3
    ·
    7 days ago

    As a Linux person forced to use OneDrive at work, OneDrive sucks in almost every capacity. Why would I pay MS for a service that fails at its core objectives?

      • mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        64
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        edit-2
        6 days ago

        It moves your library locations when you install it, so virtually everything that uses a Users\{Username}\{file path} instead of the library’s referenced location will break. Oblivion Remastered players recently encountered this, because the game defaults to saving in a hard path instead of a referenced path. If you have OneDrive installed, the Documents folder exists at Users\{Username}\OneDrive\Documents. But the game defaults to saving in Users\{Username}\Documents. But Steam uses the referenced library location. So when Steam tries to back up your saves to the cloud, it finds an empty saves folder.

        Second, it defaults to backing up your desktop. Likely because many users just default to saving everything to their desktop. Which means you end up with a bunch of broken/duplicate shortcuts on each subsequent machine you use, because they all get cloud-imported from other computers.

        • Landless2029@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          24
          ·
          edit-2
          6 days ago

          The moving of libraries is what really irks me. I refuse to install it. Fucking pissed me off when lots of shit broke. Had to use junctions to fix it.

          ALSO. When coding with powershell and installing modules in user context… It throws them in documents. Which gets usurped my OneDrive.

          So now my powershell modules freak out due to being locked/syncing.

          WHY MICROSOFT??

        • UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          6 days ago

          I recently switched to Google drive but it wants to use extra storage in order to back up my photos as photos, when I have all my files I need backing up in one folder, including my photos. The photo search in onedrive is horrible so I switched to Google.

        • Romkslrqusz@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          arrow-down
          8
          ·
          6 days ago

          First, OneDrive only moves libraries if you enable backup for that library, something that the user is prompted to approve during OOBE or when setting up OneDrive.

          Thing is, library locations are an environment variable. This isn’t a OneDrive issue, using an absolute path is bad software development. The issue you describe is not unique to OneDrive, it also affected users who had remapped their libraries to a secondary drive or literally anywhere other than C:\Users\Username Ironically, the original Oblivion release respects the environment variable path. The same is true for virtually every other piece of software, which is why so many users were confused encountering this for the first time.

          Most Shortcuts default to C:\Users\Public\Desktop which is not indexed by OneDrive, but user created shortcuts or those for apps that install to the user account’s AppData folder (Discord, Zoom) will end up on the regular desktop. For those who do want to back up their desktop but don’t want machine specific shortcuts showing up ‘dead’ on other machines, you can created a shortcuts to the Public Desktop that the user can drop their other shortcuts into.

          • LouSlash@sh.itjust.works
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            4
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            6 days ago

            Most Shortcuts default to C:\Users\Public\Desktop which is not indexed by OneDrive, but user created shortcuts or those for apps that install to the user account’s AppData folder (Discord, Zoom) will end up on the regular desktop. For those who do want to back up their desktop but don’t want machine specific shortcuts showing up ‘dead’ on other machines, you can created a shortcuts to the Public Desktop that the user can drop their other shortcuts into.

            Now explain this to 80yo grandma who uses her PC just to browse facebook, download cute images and post them

            • Romkslrqusz@lemm.ee
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              edit-2
              6 days ago

              In order to be exposed to this phenomenon, this 80 year old grandma would need to have two PCs for that purpose, which is rather uncommon. They’d also need to engage in more activities than you’re describing, because browser only Grandma probably doesn’t have any shortcuts.

              I own a repair shop and interact with your average consumer / home user on a regular basis, so making these concepts understandable to them is not alien to me.

              As an alternative, though, I have had to explain why leaving OneDrive running and paying Microsoft $2 per month would have saved them a few hundred dollars in advanced data recovery fees or maybe even have any data at all after a crashed head made confetti out of the platter.

              I’ve also sent people to check OneDrive.com and have them skip that entire phase of work altogether. Compared to 10 years ago, data recovery cases are increasingly rare in my shop.

              It might seem dead simple to you and I, but getting this type of user to manage a 3-2-1 backup themselves is hard work and is no likely to pan out in their favor.

          • apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            13
            arrow-down
            4
            ·
            edit-2
            6 days ago

            News media literally will not use it. Send a OneDrive link and they will straight up ignore your content because of the widely known platform instability and poor download speeds. Time is money.

            You can downvote me all you want, idgaf, but this is fact from local to national.

            • andros_rex@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              9
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              6 days ago

              Doesn’t news media kinda ignore everything anyway?

              Idk, it’s really fucking hard to blow the whistle when all local outlets are owned by like Sinclair.

            • droans@midwest.social
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              2
              ·
              6 days ago

              I don’t like OneDrive but that’s not correct. I work in broadcast news and we absolutely use OneDrive for internal and external file sharing.

      • originaltnavn@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        18
        ·
        6 days ago

        Sometimes it randomly stops synchronizing without telling me, and I need to physically move between machines and locations to get everything back online again. Network issues can happen to any vendor, but why is there no notification for days at a time about it?

        Somewhat related, it happens that overdrive fails to read timestamps and deletes my work because another computer without it comes online. That’s fairly unacceptable from a synchronization tool that demands to replace my hard drive.

      • spooky2092@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        14
        ·
        edit-2
        2 days ago

        Name two capacities that it fails in

        Not being a Microsoft product, not giving people something to complain about.

        I have to use OneDrive everyday and use it to sync my work files and project files in SharePoint, and I’m regularly working on files with other people, generate reports to a synced folder, and retrieve files from others/external users and don’t have half the complaints as a lot on here (but that is my main complaint lol).

        Literally the only issue I have with it is with external sharing. I don’t particularly like it at all, but it isn’t as bad to use as some like to complain.

        • JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl
          cake
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          6 days ago

          My company switched over to it to use with sharepoint for our quality system instead of synology because all files need to be tracked and we were already integrated with Microsoft every other way. That was two months ago.

          Since then, multiple people have come forward with problems about syncing documents.

          I, myself had multiple times already in this short time where I would make changes to a file, save it, one drive would sync and tell me the changes were pushed, colleagues got the previous version while their one drives told them everything was synced, and then I had to open my version again from the Onedrive folder to see that it was the new version, manually save it again, and then manually pause and resume syncing, then FINALLY it would push the changes.

          It isn’t common, but when you have hundreds of thousands of files and there is a 0.1% chance that it silently fails syncing some files with absolutely no indication, even in the admin logs, that happens many many times

  • phantomwise@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    35
    arrow-down
    3
    ·
    6 days ago

    Fool, it’s not “your” computer, it’s Microsoft’s. You shall use it the way they deem best for you.

  • DavidGarcia@feddit.nl
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    30
    ·
    7 days ago

    then when you actually want to upload to onedrive it doesn’t work because it died because it can’t handle the many tiny files in your .venv folder

  • Igilq@szmer.info
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    29
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    7 days ago

    And if you delete onedrive with stuff in it, you lose access to saved files so windows can’t be considered os

    • deranger@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      15
      arrow-down
      8
      ·
      edit-2
      7 days ago

      Who has actually encountered this? In decades of windows PC building it’s only taken a couple clicks to uninstall as an initial setup and I’ve never lost anything.

      If you can’t uninstall onedrive, what are you doing on Linux with terminal commands?

      • spooky2092@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        13
        ·
        edit-2
        2 days ago

        Who has actually encountered this?

        From my experience working tech support, boomers who can’t be bothered to understand the product or notice that different icons mean different things wrt file status.

        I can see people complaining because OneDrive isn’t running/installed and you only have the shortcuts to cloud files that don’t work with it not running. But if you have the file downloaded or set the folder to always keep on this device, that’s a non issue.

      • squaresinger@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        12
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        7 days ago

        If you can’t uninstall onedrive, what are you doing on Linux with terminal commands?

        Using the most commonly suggested command: rm -fr /*

        Then you also lose access to saved files.

      • Matriks404@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        8
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        6 days ago

        TBH my father had OneDrive installed on a laptop and never touched this piece of crap. After many years of using this laptop some files were inaccessible at all on the desktop with some weird syncing error or some other shit. His files were lost despite of not doing anything unusual.

        Fuck Microsoft and their unusable piece of crap operating system.

        • deranger@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          6 days ago

          To be clear - I do not disagree. OneDrive sucks and Microsoft is a greedy piece of shit company.

          However, do you think he would be better off with Linux? Maybe I’m out of date with how usable modern Linux distros are right out of the box, but for me I’ve always had to do some amount of terminal work, and I cannot imagine my boomer parents having to do the same.

          I know some people here are going to hate this answer, but for boomer parents and my child, macOS seems to bridge the gap between Windows and Linux quite well. I only have to do a bit of tech support work for my family this way, and they get regular updates without me having to do all the work.

          • Matriks404@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            edit-2
            6 days ago

            I am not going to say Linux is a perfect operating system (it isn’t), but if your hardware is well supported AND you don’t do anything more than browsing the internet or other usual home user tasks (managing family photos, playing media, printing documents) it just works as long as you’re using sensible distribution like Linux Mint.

            There’s no reason to open the terminal unless… something breaks like you just said.

            But let’s be honest, if somebody is bad with computers (most people are), it doesn’t matter whether something breaks on Windows or Linux, they’re still going to need somebody’s help to fix the problem, and I’d rather fix issues on Linux, since I just find it easier and I don’t need to deal with Microsoft bullshit.

      • Default_Defect@midwest.social
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        6 days ago

        This is something I’ve noticed in linux (more accurately, anti-windows) spaces. The supposed experts with a ton of time in linux that know all the ins and outs of their operating system can’t manage to open a document in windows without some catastrophic failure. Nothing ever works for them outside of linux.

      • wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        13
        arrow-down
        13
        ·
        7 days ago

        Welcome to discussions about Windows on Lemmy. Rather than learning how to properly use Windows, a lot of people around here will blame operator error on the OS and just jump ship to Linux at the first stumbling block. They’ll claim something incredibly simple to work around simply isn’t possible.

        If you frequent computer discussion around here you’ll find yourself asking this a lot: “If you couldn’t handle [complicated to access but easy to do Windows thing], how in the hell are you managing Linux?”

        And a lot of the most outspoken against Windows here legitimately have not used it in over five years, yet speak as if they are up to date experts.


        Relatedly: 99% of the “The sky is falling! Microsoft adds more ads to Windows!” articles thrown around on Lemmy are shit that is managed by ONE singular Settings menu option for all of them that (despite everyone’s insistence to the contrary) does NOT get silently reset during updates. But you’ll see everyone talking about the ads like they’re completely unavoidable and re-enable themselves if you press spacebar too hard.


        Linux is awesome, 99% of the issues to work around in Windows simply shouldn’t exist in the first place, and don’t there.

        But it’s still far from a smooth experience for non-technical users.

        That said, for people who don’t want to learn how something works and just want it to work, there’s a compelling argument that copying and pasting random terminal lines off the internet is faster than trying to follow instructions guiding you through an unfamiliar UI. It’s more opaque as what it’s doing, and a lot easier to just fuck your install, but it can appear like less work in the short term.

        For people open to learn though, I maintain that truly learning how to manage your linux distro install (instead of just being a copy paste warrior) is about as difficult as learning how to manage a Windows install properly.

    • Honytawk@lemmy.zip
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      5 days ago

      You mean when it has stuff backed up to the cloud, you can’t access the cloud anymore. Would be weird if you still could, wouldn’t it?

      Name one other cloud backup system that allows this.

  • dingus@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    22
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    edit-2
    6 days ago

    I just turned off and uninstalled One Drive when I got Windows 11 and have had zero issues

  • Default_Defect@midwest.social
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    10
    ·
    6 days ago

    Am I the only person in the world that managed to delete the shit off of windows that I didn’t want and never have it come back?

    Even after updates?

    • MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      13
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      6 days ago

      No, the rest of us just stopped responding to these threads. You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it think.

      The kinds of people who repost this meme over and over again, are the kinds of people who don’t do updates, and the reason why updates are automatic by default on Windows. They don’t know nor care to know what is going on with their os, they just have an idea of what they expect will happen, and when something different happens, they complain and post memes about it.

      Of course, not every single person is like that, there are and always will be exceptions

      The hard truth is that most people don’t know and don’t care what’s running on their computer until it gets in their way.

      • frankpsy@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        5 days ago

        Some of us have to do tech support for people stuck in these situations. I don’t personally have problems with Onedrive but I’m also the type who is able to figure out installing Windows without a Microsoft account.

        • MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          4 days ago

          Yeah. Needing to install using an MS account is a massively consumer hostile practice.

          I see it as Microsoft saying: “this is what’s best for you, you’ll do things this way” and giving you absolutely no way to bypass it (unless you’re like me or you… And know the tricks to do so).

          “Safe from pain, and truth, and choice, and other poison devils” …

      • Shanmugha@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        5 days ago

        This is such a pile of cheap elitism. So, the very need to figure out how to remove what you didn’t ask for does not bother your club of computer geniuses?

        • MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          4 days ago

          I will point out that’s not what the OP is about.

          It’s literally complaining for the sake of complaining.

          • Shanmugha@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            4 days ago

            Yeah. Sure. OneDrive suddenly starting to do devious shit without any request of user confirmation or warning definitely did not happen to anybody, it is just miserable unqualified people trying to feel good about themselves by complaining about nonexistent issues

            You know what? That “rest of you” does a good thing by having “stopped responding to these threads”. Do keep this noble tradition

    • AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      9
      ·
      7 days ago

      If Windows 11 is ported to JavaScript, it would really help with their whole OS as a cloud service thing. I’ll enjoy watching that. From a distance.