I already said prison population has increased. But on a percentage basis, Blacks are less incarcerated than in the past. Is it racist that there are now far more Whites in prison because prison population has increased on an absolute basis?
Yes there are more in prison. And not even using percentages, prison population has decreased from its peak in 2008.
https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/mass-incarceration-trends/
Percentage. There are more people alive today than in 1970. The total number jailed has also gone up.
But the percentage of Blacks incarcerated has gone down. I already said Blacks are still over represented. But it has improved since the crime bill. Your claim the crime bill was racist is false.
I took the total numbers from Wikipedia
The wikipedia link you gave doesn’t have historical numbers? But it did say Black incarceration declined. Which is the opposite of your claim.
Your numbers aren’t in the Wikipedia page you linked. Your link did say this: “However, in the 21st century, the incarceration rates for African American and Hispanic American women have declined”
I already linked this article and here are more links: “Imprisonment Rate of Black Men Has Fallen By Nearly 50% Since 2000”
https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/ji20st.pdf https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/p00.pdf
The example you gave was Democrats enacting legislation requested by the Black caucus. It is the job of politicians to listen to the citizens. Black citizens asking for laws to help the Black community are not racist by definition. Are you going to use affirmative action as an example of Democrats being evil too? Maybe you should understand the examples you are using instead of repeating Russian talking points.
Percentage of blacks in prison:
1970 41%
1980 46%
1990 53%
2000 36%
2020 32%
Yes Blacks are still over represented in prison populations. But the crime bill did not increase the number of Blacks incarcerated.
I actually lived through it instead of learning “Biden bad facts” from Russian trolls a year ago.
Funny how you are only now not interested in my thoughts after I proved your claim to be wrong.
A policy demanded by Black leaders having unintended consequences is not a Ratchet effect.
Black communities asked for the bill. It was written by Black leaders.
“Rep. Bass is right. According to a 1994 Gallup survey, 58% of African Americans supported the crime bill, compared to 49% of white Americans. Most Black mayors, who were grappling with a record wave of violent crime, did so as well. As he joined a delegation of mayors lobbying Congress to back the bill, Baltimore Mayor Kurt L. Schmoke said, “We’re trying very hard to explain to Congress that this is a matter that needs bipartisan support.””
“In a recent interview Rep. James Clyburn, a member of the House leadership and one of the most powerful African American elected officials, reflected on the reasons for his vote in favor of the bill. “Crack cocaine was a scourge in the Black community,” he recalled. “They wanted it out of those communities, and they had gotten very tough on drugs. And that’s why yours truly, and other members of the Congressional Black Caucus, voted for that 1994 crime bill.””
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/did-the-1994-crime-bill-cause-mass-incarceration/
Give an example from either of those crime bills that is specifically right wing.
Because I don’t see lynchings happening anymore. Nor do I see lynchings written into either of those crime bills. I don’t even see in the bills where it says minorities are to be arrested in greater numbers than whites.
That minorities are over represented in prison isn’t written into the crime bills. That’s a problem of systematic poverty in minority communities.
American politics are simple. You vote in the primary for the person that represents you. You vote in the general for the party that represents you. Americans chose Trump through voting or abstaining. They are responsible. No one else.
Leftists gave Trump the win in 2016 because Hillary wasn’t Bernie. That handed the Supreme Court to the Right Wing. Then leftists handed Trump the White House in 2024 because Harris wasn’t pro Palestinian enough. It’s face eating leopard time. But my conspiracy is leftist agitators online are right wing shills to get moderates to not vote. Bannon even said he did it.
You are directing the conversation to anything other than the argument that the ratchet meme is a lie.
You picked Nixon earlier. If it was non stop right wing movement from 1974 with Democrats doing nothing we’d be back at segregation and rivers on fire.
American voters put the right wing in power in all branches of the government. They are the ones turning back the progress that Democrats achieved. The knob is going back and forth. It’s not a ratchet.
One person blocking improvement the other does something bad is both sides bad. Using all caps doesn’t change that.
Then why did oil production go up under him?
There is a difference between pumping oil from existing wells and wrecking new natural habitats for more oil.
Clean Air Act
Johnson, Democrat 1963. Too long ago to be relevant which is why I mentioned something newer.
Biden championed the crime bill in the 80s that led to mass incarceration.
??? Stopping crime is right wing?
We went from rivers so polluted that they caught fire and acid rain dissolving all public art to mostly clean rivers and air. If it was a ratchet we would have continued to go backwards. We would have gone from no gay marriage to criminalized. We would have gone from one river on fire to most rivers on fire. We would have gone from BLM back to segregation. The Ratchet Meme is a lie.
If I said Republicans generally support racist policies, a reply could be the fact that Lincoln freed the slaves and was a Republican.
Stating facts like that isn’t neutral. It’s the scientific equivalent of picking out one data point from an entire study to argue against a conclusion.
It gets worse more slowly under the dems, but it still gets worse.
Gay marriage? DEI? Pacific Protected waters? Arctic protected from drilling? It was getting better until Republicans were elected to undo it all. The Rachet Meme is a version “both sides bad” which is what helped Republicans win.
I can’t help but think at this point that we’re reaching comprehension issues…
There is a long list of envitroment, social and political laws that Democrats have championed and have happened. BEACHES act, expanding Pacific protected waters, protecting Artic. In social we have gay marriage now. Democrats did NOT do nothing while Republicans moved things to the right. If that were true there would be no gay marriage. If Hillary had been elected the Supreme Court wouldn’t be right wing and Roe v Wade wouldn’t have been neutered.
The Ratchet meme is “both sides bad”.
the Ratchet Effect
The Ratchet Effect is a “both sides bad” meme. It is provably false.
Beaches Act, Oct 2000 Clinton. Pacific National Monument started by Bush, expanded by Obama. Biden Ban on Artic drilling 2024
Democrats push left. Republican push right. There’s no ratchet.
Do you see how, over time, the Republicans move farther and farther to the right on the environment?
And when Democrats have power, they push it to the left. It’s not a ratchet. Both sides are NOT the same.
DEI, Roe v Wade, The Environment, etc have all gone right only because voters have given so much power to Republicans to move it right.
At MIT in the 1980’s it was called, “Get your fingerprints on the murder weapon.”
“And you, young engineer, you who dream of improving the lot of the workers by the application of science to industry - what a sad disappointment, what terrible disillusions await you! You devote the useful energy of your mind to working out the scheme of a railway which, running along the brink of precipices and burrowing into the very heart of mountains of granite, will bind together two countries which nature has separated. But once at work, you see whole regiments of workers decimated by privations and sickness in this dark tunnel - you see others of them returning home carrying with them, maybe, a few pence, and the undoubted seeds of consumption; you see human corpses - the results of a groveling greed - as landmarks along each yard of your road; and, when the railroad is finished, you see, lastly, that it becomes the highway for the artillery of an invading army…”
Peter Kroporkin, 1880
A hundred years later engineers are more jaded. They know what they are doing. At MIT in the 1980’s it was called “get your fingerprints on the murder weapon”.
For the past 50 years, Democrats have been supporting environmental protection laws and Republicans have been against them.
It is equivalent to compare “But Nixon started the EPA” to “Lincoln ended slavery.” That Nixon started the EPA 50 years ago is irrelevant to all the following decades where Republicans have been consistently against the environment. It’s no different than when Magas say they aren’t racist because of Lincoln.
If it’s a straight line from Nixon to Trump as you say, then why claim Republicans are environmentalists with Nixon as your example?
Google maps in Android Auto can be infuriatingly wrong because of paid spots.
I once looked for nearest gas station while driving and Google tried to route me to an Exxon 10 miles away even though I knew a Shell station was a mile away. To double check, I eventually found the Shell gas station myself and while stopped in front I again asked Google for the nearest station and it still tried to send me to Exxon. I then searched for Shell gas Stations specifically and it showed it.
So Google has the Shell gas station in its maps but didn’t want to route me to it.