DPP government says more than 760 statues of Chiang, who ruled the island for nearly three decades, will be swiftly removed.
  • jaschen@lemm.ee
    615·
    8 months ago

    Local Taiwanese here, the CKS statues don’t mean shit to us. Just the old KMT people who still think we can still overtake the mainland.

    We are also not moving closer to independence. We are already independent. We have our own currency, our own democratic government who we once again voted to remain independent.

    We do not need China’s support for anything, if anything they need our support with our advanced medical technology and advanced chips.

    • Octospider@lemmy.oneEnglish
      212·
      8 months ago

      I’ve found the term “independence” to be ambiguous when discussing Taiwan. Everyone knows Taiwan is effectively an independent state. But in practice, it is less clear where the government or people of Taiwan stand on the topic. For example, Taiwan has agreed to participate in the Olympics under an ambiguous name, Chinese Taipei. Which is purposively designed to appease notions of independence from China.

      For me, it would encompass the idea of a formal declaration of the Taiwan state. Perhaps even renaming the country from RoC to Taiwan to further solidify that notion, which I think does not have popular support in Taiwan. In fact, the PRC has clearly stated that military action would occur if Taiwan “declared independence”. So, instead of “declaring independence”, I hear that Taiwan instead says “well, we don’t have to declare independence, because we already are. So, we aren’t going to declare it.” Which to me sounds like: “We would officially and unambiguously declare independence, but we are afraid of what the PRC would do if we did. So, instead we are going to act like we don’t have to do it because we already are independent… even though we won’t declare it”. I don’t know… I’m probably just confused.

      • jaschen@lemm.ee
        155·
        8 months ago

        The Olympics is just China’s way of swinging their power around and forcing the association to call us that. We rather participate than not.

        As for formal declaration, why go through the trouble? Even China immigration thinks we are a different country. You know, Taiwanese are required to get a Visa to visit the mainland? Why if they think we are part of China?

        We have basically been independent for 75 years now. It’s like a couple that have been together for years and bought a house together. Why have a wedding anymore. Too much hassle.

        • Red Army Dog Cooper@lemmy.ml
          31·
          8 months ago

          Hong kong and Macau both requre Visa’s to enter and vise versa, its part of the one china 2 systems moddle that they have extended to Tiwan.

          • jaschen@lemm.ee
            23·
            8 months ago

            They just use their Mainland Travel Permit. Completely different from what we need to do to go into China.

    • davel [he/him]@lemmy.mlEnglish
      82·
      8 months ago

      A little googling seems to show that China is Taiwan’s largest trading partner, and Taiwan is China’s fourth largest. China is no slouch in medical technology: it is filing twice as many patents as Taiwan. And it is quickly catching up in advanced semiconductors, much to the surprise of the US and its efforts to hamstring it. The Economist: China is quietly reducing its reliance on foreign chip technology

      • jaschen@lemm.ee
        62·
        8 months ago

        1. Trade Relationships: While it’s true that China is Taiwan’s largest trading partner and Taiwan is a significant partner for China, this relationship doesn’t necessarily imply dependency or vulnerability for Taiwan. Taiwan specializes in high-value components like semiconductors, which are crucial for various global industries, thereby diversifying its economic engagements beyond China. Taiwan’s strategic economic engagements with other major economies, including the U.S., Japan, and members of the EU, reduce its economic reliance on China.

        2. Medical Technology and Patent Filings: China filing twice as many patents as Taiwan may indicate volume but doesn’t inherently speak to the quality or global impact of these innovations. Taiwan has a well-established reputation in precision healthcare technologies and medical devices, often leading in specialized sectors that are competitive on a global scale. Moreover, the raw number of patents doesn’t directly translate to technological leadership.

        3. Advancements in Semiconductors: Although China is making significant strides in semiconductor technology, Taiwan’s leadership in this area is built on decades of development and deep integration into global supply chains. The technological gap, especially in advanced semiconductor manufacturing (like 5nm and 3nm technologies), is substantial and not easily bridged. U.S. efforts to limit China’s access to cutting-edge technology further compound these challenges for China. Taiwan’s Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) remains the world’s most advanced chipmaker, underscoring its strategic value.

        4. China’s Self-Reliance in Chip Technology: While China is working towards self-reliance in semiconductor technology, this is a long-term goal that faces multiple challenges, including sanctions and technological complexities. The Economist article points to a gradual reduction in reliance, but it does not imply that China has achieved parity with global leaders or can do without imports in the near term. The quality and performance of semiconductors are critical, and current global leaders like Taiwan and South Korea hold significant competitive advantages.

    • plinky [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      15·
      8 months ago

      Wouldn’t it be the opposite, as article mentions ( erase his legacy and the historical link with mainland China.)?

      • cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.mlEnglish
        26·
        8 months ago

        It’s complicated. Chiang Kai-shek was a historical adversary of the CPC and is viewed as a traitor and war criminal in the PRC. However, his nationalist party, the KMT, is alive and well in Taiwan. The CPC currently favors the KMT even though they were former adversaries because the KMT advocates for deepening economic ties to the PRC.

        With this context I’m guessing the KMT’s primary opposition, the DPP, wants to highlight the KMT’s fascist legacy while also conflating the KMT’s and the CPC’s expression of Chinese nationalism. Making that false equivalency is easier because of the KMT’s interest in building stronger economic ties with the mainland.

        Western media usually frames issues from the DPP’s perspective which would explain the commentary in the article.

      • Dessalines@lemmy.ml
        8·
        8 months ago

        Removing his statues could be seen as white-washing the KMT’s history, but I doubt anyone in the PRC is actually mad about it like the article claims.

  • merthyr1831@lemmy.world
    201·
    8 months ago

    Oh good, because he was a fascist dictato-- oh because they think the CPP loves him? ok lmao

  • Lexi Sneptaur@pawb.socialEnglish
    16·
    8 months ago

    I’m confused as to why this is unfriendly to mainland China. I suppose it may have something to do with China’s intense respect for history, but I’d love to hear someone more familiar weigh in on the subject.

  • DaDragon@kbin.social
    321·
    8 months ago

    Isn’t Kai Shek one of the most important founders of Taiwan? Sure, he had his issues (for example, ordering the deaths of a couple folks now and again), but you cannot have modern Taiwan without him. Just like how Mao is an integral part of the shape the modern PRC took.