• frezik@midwest.social
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    2 days ago

    Most US imperialist actions post-WWII haven’t been for territory. The modern version is more economic and abstract. It’s why Steven Pinker could write a whole book on why violence has declined in the world, be technically correct for the most part, but completely misses how the situation has transformed.

    And yes, the EU is very guilty of it all, too. You can claim the US is worse, and certainly a revival of territorial imperialism is a regression to a horrible history, but this wholesale wiping away of EU sins is completely unjustified.

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      2 days ago

      Aside from me giving literally gave 3 examples of the US holding/pursuing territorial expansion while not giving/not planning to give representation(guam, canada, greenland)… Do you think that makes it good? Should we start praising Trump for only wanting the mineral rights of Ukraine?

      Unlike you Americans, we actually do recognize our actions against our past colonies as crimes against humanity! But aside from stopping and holding bilateral development programs for them, da fuck are we supposed to do?

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        Unlike you Americans, we actually do recognize our actions against our past colonies as crimes against humanity!

        You’re still keeping all of the wealth though, naturally, and maintaining the system of unequal exchange that lets you increase that wealth.

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          Tell me you weren’t born in a poor country without telling me… You really think these countries don’t want the investment knowing full well that the profits won’t end up in an inland banks hoard? You think it matters at all for the worker who owns a company?

          Do you know how well sought after the recently created jobs in hungary by german auto industry and the japanese biomedical industry jobs because they slightly pay above industry average?

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        Unlike you Americans, we actually do recognize our actions against our past colonies as crimes against humanity!

        lmao 14 countries are forced to use France’s central bank. Do you think Africa sells you labor and resources for pennies instead of developing their means of production because they just love stripping their country of resources for you?

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          You should kind of read your links, you know? Doesn’t write a singular word ab how these 14 countries were aggressively forced to use the stable cfc instead of the hyper-inflating rand

          I don’t see the link or the example where their resources are unjusty pilfered! I too can make definitive statements you know? American chedar is scientifically the grossest cheese!

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            Wait, you really don’t know about neocolonialism?

            Also American cheeses as a whole are extremely mid, you’re not going to find anyone defending that shit out outside of Wisconsin.

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              Again, can you maybe read your links? It exclusively gives examples of immortality of the US?

              Also on a diff note:

              It claims that the poverty of the peripheral countries is the result of how they are integrated in the global economic system. Dependency theory derives from the Marxist analysis of economic inequalities within the world’s system of economies, thus, under-development of the periphery is a direct result of development in the centre.

              Which rlly sound like some nationalistic bs from someone who is butthurt from being colonized, doesn’t it? I am sure europeans rowed over to africa in small boats to claim colonies!

              The economic dependency is another fun segment for implying that the smaller countries don’t want the larger one’s investment in return of soft power!

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                Again, can you maybe read your links? It exclusively gives examples of immortality of the US?

                It literally doesn’t, scroll down.

                The economic dependency is another fun segment for implying that the smaller countries don’t want the larger one’s investment in return of soft power!

                The investment is in maintaining systems that keep resources flowing out as cheaply as possible. Yall aren’t sending dictators arms out of the goodness of your hearts.

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                  Unlike you I read your source, either quote it or move the goalpost again!

                  As for the other thats a typically US thing to do too 😂! The recently created jobs in hungary from the german auto industry or the janapanese medical industry are highly sought after for they pay a lot better than our industry average! You know the shit your companies pull, say nestle using slave labour in south america, would not fly here?

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                    Neocolonialism was used to describe a type of foreign intervention in countries belonging to the Pan-Africanist movement, as well as the Asian–African Conference of Bandung (1955), which led to the Non-Aligned Movement (1961). Neocolonialism was formally defined by the All-African Peoples’ Conference (AAPC) and published in the Resolution on Neo-colonialism. At both the Tunis conference (1960) and the Cairo conference (1961), AAPC described the actions of the French Community of independent states, organised by France, as neocolonial.[39][40]

                    The politician Jacques Foccart, the principal adviser for African matters to French presidents Charles de Gaulle (1958–1969) and Georges Pompidou (1969–1974), was the principal proponent of Françafrique.[41]

                    The works of Verschave and Beti reported a forty-year, post-independence relationship with France’s former colonial peoples, which featured colonial garrisons in situ and monopolies by French multinational corporations, usually for the exploitation of mineral resources. It was argued that the African leaders with close ties to France—especially during the Soviet–American Cold War (1945–1992)—acted more as agents of French business and geopolitical interests than as the national leaders of sovereign states. Cited examples are Omar Bongo (Gabon), Félix Houphouët-Boigny (Ivory Coast), Gnassingbé Eyadéma (Togo), Denis Sassou-Nguesso (Republic of the Congo), Idriss Déby (Chad), and Hamani Diori (Niger)

                    You know the shit your companies pull, say nestle using slave labour in south america, would not fly here?

                    Nestle is Swiss.

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        I explicitly said it’s a return to a horrible history. If you’re not going to take arguments that are given, then I think we’re done here.

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          When? When did you say “…return to the past…”? You wobbled on about that us (complete fucking nonsense mind you, the cold war was a thing) and you vaguely stated that it did imperialism without stating a time or a specific event… So maybe you can try that? What country is doing what?