I’ve used Linux for 25 years now and I remember every time when back then people needed help with windows it was always "go to the registry editor and add the key djrgegfbwkgisgktkwbthagnsfidjgnwhtjrtv in position god-knows-where to fix some stupid windows shit. that, apparently, made windows user ready
On Linux I’d have to edit an English language file and add an English word and that meant it wasn’t user ready
I couldnt use linux on my laptop 15 years ago because suspend never seemed to work. Just tried it again last week on my generic desktop, suspend still not working. So ya linux has come a long way. Still cant use it.
An HP by any chance? These don’t handle suspend well and you need to add a parameter or three at boot via grub (or systemd too). Otherwise the system gets tied up filling the log endlessly with rapidly cycling pcie errors and you end up crashing or frozen pretty quickly. If this might be your problem, see
Where there’s a problem there’s usually a solution, you just might need to root around the web for answers.
Thats a huge problem for linux, average users are never going to do that. But as a long time linux user myself I have been trying to find solution to the suspend problem for a long time and I still cant find one. So Id say its a big problem.
Linux programmers have been battling Microsoft and its shady deals with hardware vendors for decades. That’s the real problem. Just when something starts working too well, MS changes things up, dictates changes to hardware, and then that breaks it for Linux, so it’s back to the old IDE with new hardware to figure out how to get around it. Or the hardware folk just don’t consider Linux a viable alternative and just happily make sure only Winders runs well.
Suspend doesn’t really work for my Thinkpad either. Computers were never really meant to ‘suspend’, I’ve learned it’s just as fast to power down/up on Linux.
Suspend doesn’t really work for my Thinkpad either. Computers were never really meant to ‘suspend’
Well, whether computers were ‘meant’ to suspend is beside the point, windows made it work somehow but so far linux has not, and Id call it a required for most users. Without that feature working reliably, I can’t personally make the switch even though I want to.
The functionality is already there and sure, it could be made more user-friendly. But that requires a lot of invested time and money, which can be pretty lacking in the open source space. If the Linux developers had Microsoft resources then Windows would be long dead.
Maybe try a better distro if you can’t confuigure the one you use? I haven’t had problems on Arch after setting it up properly.
it sounds like that might be a your laptop problem
All the laptops Ive ever tried and all the desktops including my current one which is a very generic Ryzen 7? None of them have ever suspended reliably, thats for sure a linux problem. Without that feature, I cannot switch to it as my daily. Its relegated to server only for me sadly.
The funny thing is, every laptop I have does suspend without issue. I think for a brief period in 2014 I had a problem with a Zen book, but it got fixed.
As of today, in this office right next to me now: A chromebook, an HP and a Dell. All 100% linux laptops, all suspend. I did not have to do anything to make that work, it just did.
I always avoid Ubuntu, for whatever that’s worth.
Actually there is one funny thing: I picked up a laptop with Windows on it for a user going to a conference. It will not suspend. When you close the lid the fan just goes full blast and it is a space heater. We re-imaged it and it still does it. We just power it off now. It is a dell.
Coming back from suspend though, seen countless times across countless computers during my time supporting both consumer devices and working in help desks. Probably in the top 5 issues I deal with.
But hey, that’s just anecdotal evidence at the end of the day.
Though a quick search will bring up no end of pages of people asking for help cuz windows keeps getting stuck when waking up or they think their computer is broken only for a hard restart to fix it. So while I don’t have hard data, it’s obviously not an isolated issue.
Implying suspend works on Windows either. I’ve got like a 50/50 chance my monitor connected with DisplayPort actually gets signal after waking on Windows. This shit has been a problem for a long time.
Ive been using windows 30 years and linux for 20, Ive never seen windows fail at suspending on any system in that time. Linux on the other hand Ive never seen it reliably suspend on any system. Dont get me wrong I want to use linux at home very badly, but none of the fixes I have looked into have solved the problem. Its a 100% required feature for me.
I had to implement a GPO to disable suspend on windows 10 AND 11 for everyone at my company equipped with HP zbook laptops because it was requiring a hard reset every… Single… Time.
How was the gnome registry some how worse? Microsoft didn’t even have a document that could describe how theirs worked, much less an organizational structure. At least Gnomes was basically simple words and categories. And they built a settings manager for it too.
Not that I use gnome much, but still this is silly.
I know this is linuxmemes, but if you want a serious answer, I can provide, lol.
It’s worse because it is an amateurish attempt at recreating windows like registry (like most things Gn*me lol).
boring technical details
Let’s start from the top:
Microsoft didn’t even have a document that could describe how theirs worked
Oh, really, I remember reading enormous amounts of info on MSDN describing how the internal registry hives work in 1998 (yes, I am that old lol) Also, there were/are excellent books on the topic, i.e. “Windows Internals” by Mark Russinovich. Can you tell me where I can find more info on how dconf works, what about dconf internal structure and organization? I don’t want to read the source code.
At least Gnomes was basically simple words and categories
Right, can you tell me what this dconf dump is about:
You mean like simplified UI for poor man’s regedit?
Windows registry is horribly over-engineered very very high performance binary database (dconf is a Gvariant binary db also, lol) deeply integrated within the NT kernel and overall system, it supports access virtualization, transparent path override, robust ACLs, and more. IMO, M$’ biggest mistake was allowing 3rd party access to the hive in the early days. Then backwards compatibility kicked in and the rest is history.
Don’t get me wrong it sucks, massively, but this attempt of Gn*me/freedesktop INI db is a joke, like the OP’s argument
I’ve used Linux for 25 years now and I remember every time when back then people needed help with windows it was always "go to the registry editor and add the key djrgegfbwkgisgktkwbthagnsfidjgnwhtjrtv in position god-knows-where to fix some stupid windows shit. that, apparently, made windows user ready
On Linux I’d have to edit an English language file and add an English word and that meant it wasn’t user ready
Yeah, Linux was ready long ago
I couldnt use linux on my laptop 15 years ago because suspend never seemed to work. Just tried it again last week on my generic desktop, suspend still not working. So ya linux has come a long way. Still cant use it.
Wifi on resume is the bane of my existence. If I close my lid I just have my laptop restart. Mint.
An HP by any chance? These don’t handle suspend well and you need to add a parameter or three at boot via grub (or systemd too). Otherwise the system gets tied up filling the log endlessly with rapidly cycling pcie errors and you end up crashing or frozen pretty quickly. If this might be your problem, see
https://askubuntu.com/questions/863150/pcie-bus-error-severity-corrected-type-physical-layer-id-00e5receiver-id
And
https://www.reddit.com/r/pop_os/comments/yh3nkw/freezing_issue_finally_solved_here_is_how/
Where there’s a problem there’s usually a solution, you just might need to root around the web for answers.
Thats a huge problem for linux, average users are never going to do that. But as a long time linux user myself I have been trying to find solution to the suspend problem for a long time and I still cant find one. So Id say its a big problem.
Linux programmers have been battling Microsoft and its shady deals with hardware vendors for decades. That’s the real problem. Just when something starts working too well, MS changes things up, dictates changes to hardware, and then that breaks it for Linux, so it’s back to the old IDE with new hardware to figure out how to get around it. Or the hardware folk just don’t consider Linux a viable alternative and just happily make sure only Winders runs well.
Suspend doesn’t really work for my Thinkpad either. Computers were never really meant to ‘suspend’, I’ve learned it’s just as fast to power down/up on Linux.
Well, whether computers were ‘meant’ to suspend is beside the point, windows made it work somehow but so far linux has not, and Id call it a required for most users. Without that feature working reliably, I can’t personally make the switch even though I want to.
The functionality is already there and sure, it could be made more user-friendly. But that requires a lot of invested time and money, which can be pretty lacking in the open source space. If the Linux developers had Microsoft resources then Windows would be long dead.
Maybe try a better distro if you can’t confuigure the one you use? I haven’t had problems on Arch after setting it up properly.
As another Linux user with over 2 decades of Linux as my primary, it sounds like that might be a your laptop problem.
All the laptops Ive ever tried and all the desktops including my current one which is a very generic Ryzen 7? None of them have ever suspended reliably, thats for sure a linux problem. Without that feature, I cannot switch to it as my daily. Its relegated to server only for me sadly.
The funny thing is, every laptop I have does suspend without issue. I think for a brief period in 2014 I had a problem with a Zen book, but it got fixed.
As of today, in this office right next to me now: A chromebook, an HP and a Dell. All 100% linux laptops, all suspend. I did not have to do anything to make that work, it just did.
I always avoid Ubuntu, for whatever that’s worth.
Actually there is one funny thing: I picked up a laptop with Windows on it for a user going to a conference. It will not suspend. When you close the lid the fan just goes full blast and it is a space heater. We re-imaged it and it still does it. We just power it off now. It is a dell.
You can’t install macOS on any PC you like either, is it not ready as well?
I dont understand your question…
Linux works incredibly well, if used on proper hardware
Lol, if I had a buck for every time a user came to me because Windows got stuck in Suspend and needed a hard reset, I’d retire.
If Suspend is your ‘‘must have feature’’, then I’ve got bad news for you.
30 years Ive never seen windows fail to suspend… coming back from suspend ya I have seen a few errors in 30 years, not many.
Fair, I’ve never seen it fail to suspend.
Coming back from suspend though, seen countless times across countless computers during my time supporting both consumer devices and working in help desks. Probably in the top 5 issues I deal with.
But hey, that’s just anecdotal evidence at the end of the day.
Though a quick search will bring up no end of pages of people asking for help cuz windows keeps getting stuck when waking up or they think their computer is broken only for a hard restart to fix it. So while I don’t have hard data, it’s obviously not an isolated issue.
Implying suspend works on Windows either. I’ve got like a 50/50 chance my monitor connected with DisplayPort actually gets signal after waking on Windows. This shit has been a problem for a long time.
Ive been using windows 30 years and linux for 20, Ive never seen windows fail at suspending on any system in that time. Linux on the other hand Ive never seen it reliably suspend on any system. Dont get me wrong I want to use linux at home very badly, but none of the fixes I have looked into have solved the problem. Its a 100% required feature for me.
I had to implement a GPO to disable suspend on windows 10 AND 11 for everyone at my company equipped with HP zbook laptops because it was requiring a hard reset every… Single… Time.
No amount of bios upgrade ever fixed the issue.
Right, that’s the reason alright, lol. Remember dconf on Gn*me? It’s like registry on windows, but worse.
No, Linux is still not ready for desktop, and it has nothing to do with this fallacy of yours.
Since when is Linux = Gnome?
How was the gnome registry some how worse? Microsoft didn’t even have a document that could describe how theirs worked, much less an organizational structure. At least Gnomes was basically simple words and categories. And they built a settings manager for it too.
Not that I use gnome much, but still this is silly.
I know this is linuxmemes, but if you want a serious answer, I can provide, lol. It’s worse because it is an amateurish attempt at recreating windows like registry (like most things Gn*me lol).
boring technical details
Let’s start from the top:
Oh, really, I remember reading enormous amounts of info on MSDN describing how the internal registry hives work in 1998 (yes, I am that old lol) Also, there were/are excellent books on the topic, i.e. “Windows Internals” by Mark Russinovich. Can you tell me where I can find more info on how dconf works, what about dconf internal structure and organization? I don’t want to read the source code.
Right, can you tell me what this dconf dump is about:
[org/gnome/nm-applet/eap/fea8b3cc-21a2-4a3d-a3bb-72b7459247b7] check-time=uint32 1742505110You mean like simplified UI for poor man’s regedit?
Windows registry is horribly over-engineered very very high performance binary database (dconf is a Gvariant binary db also, lol) deeply integrated within the NT kernel and overall system, it supports access virtualization, transparent path override, robust ACLs, and more. IMO, M$’ biggest mistake was allowing 3rd party access to the hive in the early days. Then backwards compatibility kicked in and the rest is history.
Don’t get me wrong it sucks, massively, but this attempt of Gn*me/freedesktop INI db is a joke, like the OP’s argument