• Opinionhaver@feddit.uk
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    16 hours ago

    By grifters you mean the only people willing to say that it’s okay for men to be men? Gee, I wonder why young men go to them rather than the ones telling them to man down.

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      10 hours ago

      No. We mean people like andrew tate. These guys aren’t men, They’re assholes. They don’t teach you how to be “men”, they teach you how to be assholes.

      No real man thinks he’s “high-value” and definitely doesn’t think women are worth less or deserve to be treated like shit.

      That’s not real men, that’s assholes.

      And yes, I’m gatekeeping the term “Man”.

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        9 hours ago

        I’m not defending Andrew Tate here. My point is that when there is nobody else for these young men to look up to then they go to the only ones available.

        Name one good male role model you approve of.

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          Bob Ross
          Steve Irwin
          Bill Nye
          Alton Brown
          Sam Reich
          Brenon Lee Mulligan
          Ify Nwadiwe
          Matt Mercer
          Jazza (Josiah Alan Brooks)

          Likely your dad/uncle/older brother, or a friend’s dad/uncle/older brother
          A teacher

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        9 hours ago

        The point is that who do you expect the young men to go to? The only people willing to speak up for them are the types of Andrew Tate, Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson, Jocko Willink, David Goggins etc. Can you name a male role model you approve of?

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            11 hours ago

            You kidding, right? I almost said that Aragorn doesn’t count as they’re a fictional character.

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              Fictional or not, you copy their virtues. Men need role-models that will not use & discard them (like Andrew Tate)

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      14 hours ago

      It’s not okay to harass women. Stop defining that as a male feature. Gross.

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        14 hours ago

        Don’t act as if I said somethig I didn’t only because it’s then easier to argue against.

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          14 hours ago

          The shark was harassing her.

          She said stop in animal language.

          If you are personalizing this: you are the problem. You are not a victim.

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            Lmao at “The shark was harassing her”.

            These sharks have brains the size of a pea, they only acted on instinct, the male because he felt a procreation need and the female because sharks see everything as food that moves.

            Humans are wildly different, we have recreational thoughts and can restrain our actions. That‘s good because males are on average much stronger than females and would absolutely force themselves on them if they had no moral compass.