I see what they’re saying but I don’t think they put it right, and I don’t think it applies to this post either way.
Intent is a concious thought. Just because the artist had an intent while making the art doesn’t imbue every detail with the intent. Every subconsious microdecision doesn’t necessarily align with the artist’s intent and neither could I hope to extract meaningful information from them. I can only understand what the artist intentionally put in there. But I get what they’re saying, there are countless conscious decisions an artist makes while making their thing.
Needless to say artistic value isn’t measured by the amount of intent. It does makes sense that the guy above meant intent when they said value though
Anyhow, IMO the visuals of a meme is the last place to seek artistic intent. Especially with these ‘joke with visual assist’ kinds of memes the grand majority of artisitc intent is the joke with the visuals being a tool to adapt it to a visual medium. If anything I think the visuals of this meme have more artistic intent than the recurring characters of a webcomic strip telling a joke to each other.
Hence to me “The lack of artistic value/intent” seems to be more of a justification for not liking ai art (edit: meant this post specifically, not ai art in general), not the reason of it
Intent is a concious thought. Just because the artist had an intent while making the art doesn’t imbue every detail with the intent. Every subconsious microdecision doesn’t necessarily align with the artist’s intent and neither could I hope to extract meaningful information from them. I can only understand what the artist intentionally put in there. But I get what they’re saying, there are countless conscious decisions an artist makes while making their thing.
I disagree. The fact that art includes the intended bits, as well as the unintended ones makes it so interesting IMHO. The fact that you always put a little piece of yourself (as well as your artistic abilities) into the art is amazing and impossible to recreate from a machine.
Take the sanic meme, or “It’s Friday” by Rebecca Black. None of these people wanted to make “bad” art, but they still put it out there and the imperfection made the pieces so popular.
Anyhow, IMO the visuals of a meme is the last place to seek artistic intent. Especially with these ‘joke with visual assist’ kinds of memes the grand majority of artisitc intent is the joke with the visuals being a tool to adapt it to a visual medium. If anything I think the visuals of this meme have more artistic intent than the recurring characters of a webcomic strip telling a joke to each other.
Even the worst webcomic carries more artistic intent than some AI slop. You can clearly measure the “artistic intent” of whateis contained in AI slop: it’s the prompt. If I prompt an AI “Make a funny comic”, then the artistic intent is “make a funny comic” (and maaaaybe all the other prompts beforehand that I didn’t want to propagate).
“Putting a piece of yourself” is magical thinking to me. Ai makes mistakes too and when it does people rant endlessly about how useless it is and that is what people used to call ‘slop’. If a human making the mistake makes it desirable instead then this is once again not the reason but a justification.
If I prompt an AI “Make a funny comic”
But that’s the issue, you don’t know what oop prompted to make this. They could have been arbitrarily simple or elaborate with what they asked and you couldn’t tell beyond that they were happy with this result enough to post it. And I’d argue the amount of intent in a prompt is still independent of its length as they could’ve tried longer descriptions and found that the results of shorter ones align with what they seek better.
I choose to believe the joke came from them and given that this is an internet meme that exists to deliver the joke, I don’t dwell on the visuals.
“Putting a piece of yourself” is magical thinking to me.
It’s a metaphor. You’re ndt supposed to take those literally. 🙄
Any creator will inevitably put their worldview and skill level into their art. So-called “AI” has neither.
Ai makes mistakes too
Those mistakes stem from a mathematically inaccurate model. Human mistakes tell something about the creator
people rant endlessly about how useless it is and that is what people used to call ‘slop’.
Not why it’s called “slop”, homie.
f a human making the mistake makes it desirable instead then this is once again not the reason but a justification.
Not what I said. Any detail in human art is there because a human put it there. It’s a form of (sometimes involuntary) communication that computers lack.
But that’s the issue, you don’t know what oop prompted to make this. They could have been arbitrarily simple or elaborate with what they asked and you couldn’t tell beyond that they were happy with this result enough to post it. And I’d argue the amount of intent in a prompt is still independent of its length as they could’ve tried longer descriptions and found that the results of shorter ones align with what they seek better.
Again: not what I said. I’m saying that the intent behind so-called “AI art” starts and ends with the used prompt.
I choose to believe the joke came from them and given that this is an internet meme that exists to deliver the joke, I don’t dwell on the visuals.
Then you choose to be complicit in the normaliztion of so-called “AI art”, which leads to tangible problems in the real world.
Was it not called slop because it wasn’t pleasant to consume, just like slop?
Again: not what I said. I’m saying that the intent behind so-called “AI art” starts and ends with the used prompt.
Yeah you didn’t and that’s why I responded with my comment saying that’s not the case. I wasn’t recapping you.
Not what I said. Any detail in human art is there because a human put it there. It’s a form of (sometimes involuntary) communication that computers lack.
I don’t understand which part you’re saying you didn’t say. Regardless, with the ai art just because ai fills in the details does that subtract from what the creator intended to communicate?
In total honesty it is rare for me to feel this (seemingly unconscious) communication you keep talking about which is why I called it magical thinking. Sometimes, some media does make me think things about its author due to the way it is made (as opposed to its explicit contents) but that meda is almost never internet memes. And while I don’t use ai art myself I also try not to be swayed into the love-hate cycles the internet goes through with every new thing.
Hence why I (and apparently hundreds of other people) didn’t have an issue with this meme. It is not lacking anything I normally find in this genre. I can see that there’re also tons of people opposed to ai generated memes but I think the way that opposition is framed is often dishonest.
which leads to tangible problems in the real world
Then please comment about the tangible problems instead of falling back on the tried and true ‘slop’. I agree that ai art is bad for artists and it is a problem that needs to be solved before it’s too late. But that has nothing to do with how it looks or what it communicates
What do you mean by artistic value?
This article by Cory Doctorow explains it quite well, I think.
I see what they’re saying but I don’t think they put it right, and I don’t think it applies to this post either way.
Intent is a concious thought. Just because the artist had an intent while making the art doesn’t imbue every detail with the intent. Every subconsious microdecision doesn’t necessarily align with the artist’s intent and neither could I hope to extract meaningful information from them. I can only understand what the artist intentionally put in there. But I get what they’re saying, there are countless conscious decisions an artist makes while making their thing.
Needless to say artistic value isn’t measured by the amount of intent. It does makes sense that the guy above meant intent when they said value though
Anyhow, IMO the visuals of a meme is the last place to seek artistic intent. Especially with these ‘joke with visual assist’ kinds of memes the grand majority of artisitc intent is the joke with the visuals being a tool to adapt it to a visual medium. If anything I think the visuals of this meme have more artistic intent than the recurring characters of a webcomic strip telling a joke to each other.
Hence to me “The lack of artistic value/intent” seems to be more of a justification for not liking ai art (edit: meant this post specifically, not ai art in general), not the reason of it
I disagree. The fact that art includes the intended bits, as well as the unintended ones makes it so interesting IMHO. The fact that you always put a little piece of yourself (as well as your artistic abilities) into the art is amazing and impossible to recreate from a machine.
Take the sanic meme, or “It’s Friday” by Rebecca Black. None of these people wanted to make “bad” art, but they still put it out there and the imperfection made the pieces so popular.
Even the worst webcomic carries more artistic intent than some AI slop. You can clearly measure the “artistic intent” of whateis contained in AI slop: it’s the prompt. If I prompt an AI “Make a funny comic”, then the artistic intent is “make a funny comic” (and maaaaybe all the other prompts beforehand that I didn’t want to propagate).
“Putting a piece of yourself” is magical thinking to me. Ai makes mistakes too and when it does people rant endlessly about how useless it is and that is what people used to call ‘slop’. If a human making the mistake makes it desirable instead then this is once again not the reason but a justification.
But that’s the issue, you don’t know what oop prompted to make this. They could have been arbitrarily simple or elaborate with what they asked and you couldn’t tell beyond that they were happy with this result enough to post it. And I’d argue the amount of intent in a prompt is still independent of its length as they could’ve tried longer descriptions and found that the results of shorter ones align with what they seek better.
I choose to believe the joke came from them and given that this is an internet meme that exists to deliver the joke, I don’t dwell on the visuals.
It’s a metaphor. You’re ndt supposed to take those literally. 🙄
Any creator will inevitably put their worldview and skill level into their art. So-called “AI” has neither.
Those mistakes stem from a mathematically inaccurate model. Human mistakes tell something about the creator
Not why it’s called “slop”, homie.
Not what I said. Any detail in human art is there because a human put it there. It’s a form of (sometimes involuntary) communication that computers lack.
Again: not what I said. I’m saying that the intent behind so-called “AI art” starts and ends with the used prompt.
Then you choose to be complicit in the normaliztion of so-called “AI art”, which leads to tangible problems in the real world.
Was it not called slop because it wasn’t pleasant to consume, just like slop?
Yeah you didn’t and that’s why I responded with my comment saying that’s not the case. I wasn’t recapping you.
I don’t understand which part you’re saying you didn’t say. Regardless, with the ai art just because ai fills in the details does that subtract from what the creator intended to communicate?
In total honesty it is rare for me to feel this (seemingly unconscious) communication you keep talking about which is why I called it magical thinking. Sometimes, some media does make me think things about its author due to the way it is made (as opposed to its explicit contents) but that meda is almost never internet memes. And while I don’t use ai art myself I also try not to be swayed into the love-hate cycles the internet goes through with every new thing.
Hence why I (and apparently hundreds of other people) didn’t have an issue with this meme. It is not lacking anything I normally find in this genre. I can see that there’re also tons of people opposed to ai generated memes but I think the way that opposition is framed is often dishonest.
Then please comment about the tangible problems instead of falling back on the tried and true ‘slop’. I agree that ai art is bad for artists and it is a problem that needs to be solved before it’s too late. But that has nothing to do with how it looks or what it communicates
Edit: tweaks
it’s visibly lacking creative input from a human