As far as I can read from the report, one staffer quit as a result of a misleading report written by… not the white house, and the others lamented that Netanyahu was deliberately obstructing negotiations. To say that that equates to lying about working towards a ceasefire seems to be misleading at the least.
Maybe if that were the only proof, but we all know about all the aid, weapons, bombs, and jets sent to Israel during this time. It’s not as if this report exists in a vacuum.
And we also know about the aid that was sent to Gaza against the protests of Israel. We also know about the majority of obstruction coming from Netanyahu. I’m not saying they did a great job, but to say that they were outright lying about even trying to stop it is disingenuous, and seems pretty clearly a way to detract from the current situation.
How is the slight amount of aid they sent any proof of trying to stop it? They also could’ve come out against Netanyahu at any time, or forced his hand by stopping the delivering or fast tracking of weapons (by using the US’s own laws) but he didn’t. It was very clearly a lie that they were working tirelessly for a ceasefire.
It would be a lie if they said they tried every avenue possible, but they didn’t. They did try with less effective strategies and they should be lambasted for their ineffectiveness but not for “lying they were working tirelessly”. Those are two different standards.
Okay, so you’re just playing with words, like a djinn or the devil in every movie they’re in lol. A genocide is happening my dude. We all knew what they meant when they kept trying to say they were working for a ceasefire and what they were trying to portray. If they had an intern write a character a day in an eventual handwritten note they would snail mail to Netanyahu’s office after a year and a half asking them to politely please stop the attacks, then you’d consider that as them “working everyday” for the ceasefire, when we would know they weren’t? Miss me with that shit.
They’re not really trying at all for something if they’re not using easily available options. If I went to work and said I got nothing done this for two years because I needed some report from some other team that I never actually asked for directly and never emailed them about, it would be fair if everyone thought I lied in my performance review about how hard I worked. That’s essentially what this former Israeli ambassador revealed, even though we all kind of knew it anyway.
“What happened,” a senior Israeli government official told Channel 14, regarded as a mouthpiece for Netanyahu, “is that Witkoff delivered a stern message from the incoming president of the United States, who unequivocally demanded the deal’s conclusion.”
Writing in the daily newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth this week, Nadav Eyal summed up the situation confronting Israel’s prime minister and his closest aides. “Netanyahu … suddenly came to recognise precisely where it is that they stand with the new American president. They came to realise that Trump speaks at dictation pace, and they will never be able to outflank him from the right. Trump, once again, wants a deal.”
The Guardian
Trump and Co also put pressure not to allow a deal during the Biden admin so that there wouldn’t be any shared credit. Netanyahu and the Israeli government went along with it because they thought they could get a better deal and so far that looks to be the case considering there hasn’t been any pushback since they violated the ceasefire that was in place and escalated the genocide in the last few months including blocking all aid since shortly after Trump took office.
https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-ceasefire-hostages-netanyahu-ff48f081b069e484955a72bc68261364
Wow, taking a page right out of Trump’s playbook - Biden failed while he was in power because of Trump when Trump wasn’t in power. You really are Blue MAGA
Biden had years to get a ceasefire done and never once demanded it. You can’t deny that. The only reason Trump was able to interfere is because Biden took forever, and there was no reason to take the Biden deal because they knew what they would get with Biden - absolute freedom to do whatever they wanted and he wouldn’t do anything if they slow rolled it out interfered with the deal. The Biden admin made that obvious and Israel here has confirmed it. The ceasefire failing is awful but we would have never got one in the first place if Biden was still President. And the genocide has lways been escalating. They were already restricting aid during Biden, that’s why they tried to do that stupid pier thing that failed, even though they could have demanded Israel open up the roads for aid trucks. It’s always been steadily increasing in more destruction, less aid, more dead journalists, more dead UNRWA and other aid workers, etc. It’s the same deal as before just in a Trumpian instead of Biden fashion.
Lose influence in WHAT negotiations? Like Israel had something the USA wanted? If the US has just stopped sending arms, munitions, and intelligence to Israel, what do you think Israel would have done “in the negotiations”? Tarrifs on the US? Like, what the fuck do you think is actually happening here?
And where is the evidence to refute that? In the article, every complaint from the staffers that were published refer to Netanyahu being the one holding shit up. Transcribe where the staffers said Biden wasn’t working around the clock. It’s not there.
“God did the State of Israel a favor that Biden was the president during this period, because it could have been much worse. We fought [in Gaza] for over a year and the administration never came to us and said, ‘ceasefire now.’ It never did. And that’s not to be taken for granted,” the former Israeli ambassador said.
What claims? Again that article describes Biden and the admin of being frustrated with Netanyahu and some of his ministers. It also lays out how Biden and the admin were trying to negotiate and create pressure to force Netanyahu out through elections.
You have one quote from one former ambassador with no supporting evidence.
Even that would indicate that there was no ultimatum of “ceasefire or else” given, but still leaves open the “hey this is a bad idea and you’re only going to cause death and genocide and force more people to support your opposition”.
The person in charge of the state department is the Secretary of State (Antony Blinken). Which is a stretch to say that it comes directly from Biden or the White House since it is written by a branch department. It comes from the state department. The memo declaring that they had to publish that information came from Biden, but again the response that you’re livid at was written by the state department.
Notice how the only people who were targeted in the article were people who didn’t publish that bullshit?
Whoever wrote the report is clearly disingenuous but to directly tie that to their superiors is not how that works. You need actual evidence and so far all I have seen is hearsay.
The video of Harris saying that her and Biden are doing all they can is also probably overplaying it a bit, but again the only evidence in that article is that other staffers were complaining about Netanyahu being the problem.
How does that translate into “Biden lied about doing everything and oh yeah let’s throw a hit piece on AOC” and finish the article off on that note with also no evidence beyond hearsay?
I see a shit ton of .ml accounts signal boosting this article, partying like its October 2024. I don’t buy the legitimacy of “altmedia.house” either. None of it passes the sniff test, to say nothing of the current state of the world.
Yeah I’ve been generally assuming this is outside interference from conservatives to fuck with democrat morale. It’s not coherent or logically laid out and has no evidence that actually supports the conclusion…
LOL, you think conservatives are worried about Democrat morale being so high that it might make them effective at something? Jesus you people are just so wrapped up in your own bullshit fantasy. The Republicans do not care about hurting the morale of Democrat voters. The Democratic party, it’s leaders, and the elected officials that adhere to it destroy voter morale all on their own without any need for assistance.
Essentially, the Republicans are following this aphorism - Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake.
Its funny that we’re not allowed to call out Biden for his bullshit before the election, and now we still can’t call out Biden for his bullshit after the election even after their bullshit contributed to the Democrat’s loss. When are you guys ever gonna learn if any criticism is hand waved away as being a Republican misinformation effort. Do you want to continue losing the election?
You were absolutely allowed to call him out during the election and after. Just use actual evidence that supports the claim you’re making. Not “one former ambassador said “they never said “stop, right now”” which means they lied about trying at all”. There were clearly attempts to stop the genocide, though they likely didn’t go as far as they should have.
As far as I can read from the report, one staffer quit as a result of a misleading report written by… not the white house, and the others lamented that Netanyahu was deliberately obstructing negotiations. To say that that equates to lying about working towards a ceasefire seems to be misleading at the least.
Maybe if that were the only proof, but we all know about all the aid, weapons, bombs, and jets sent to Israel during this time. It’s not as if this report exists in a vacuum.
And we also know about the aid that was sent to Gaza against the protests of Israel. We also know about the majority of obstruction coming from Netanyahu. I’m not saying they did a great job, but to say that they were outright lying about even trying to stop it is disingenuous, and seems pretty clearly a way to detract from the current situation.
Come on dude, quit making excuses. Blue no matter who is a failed strategy.
How is the slight amount of aid they sent any proof of trying to stop it? They also could’ve come out against Netanyahu at any time, or forced his hand by stopping the delivering or fast tracking of weapons (by using the US’s own laws) but he didn’t. It was very clearly a lie that they were working tirelessly for a ceasefire.
It would be a lie if they said they tried every avenue possible, but they didn’t. They did try with less effective strategies and they should be lambasted for their ineffectiveness but not for “lying they were working tirelessly”. Those are two different standards.
Okay, so you’re just playing with words, like a djinn or the devil in every movie they’re in lol. A genocide is happening my dude. We all knew what they meant when they kept trying to say they were working for a ceasefire and what they were trying to portray. If they had an intern write a character a day in an eventual handwritten note they would snail mail to Netanyahu’s office after a year and a half asking them to politely please stop the attacks, then you’d consider that as them “working everyday” for the ceasefire, when we would know they weren’t? Miss me with that shit.
They’re not really trying at all for something if they’re not using easily available options. If I went to work and said I got nothing done this for two years because I needed some report from some other team that I never actually asked for directly and never emailed them about, it would be fair if everyone thought I lied in my performance review about how hard I worked. That’s essentially what this former Israeli ambassador revealed, even though we all kind of knew it anyway.
Contrast that with Trump who came in and immediately started demanding a ceasefire deal. Trump! The biggest fucking biggest idiot in the world. It’s how they got one done, even if it only lasted a short time, it was some relief for a bit.
Bide never demanded shit.
Trump and Co also put pressure not to allow a deal during the Biden admin so that there wouldn’t be any shared credit. Netanyahu and the Israeli government went along with it because they thought they could get a better deal and so far that looks to be the case considering there hasn’t been any pushback since they violated the ceasefire that was in place and escalated the genocide in the last few months including blocking all aid since shortly after Trump took office. https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-ceasefire-hostages-netanyahu-ff48f081b069e484955a72bc68261364
Miss me with that revisionist history.
Wow, taking a page right out of Trump’s playbook - Biden failed while he was in power because of Trump when Trump wasn’t in power. You really are Blue MAGA
Biden had years to get a ceasefire done and never once demanded it. You can’t deny that. The only reason Trump was able to interfere is because Biden took forever, and there was no reason to take the Biden deal because they knew what they would get with Biden - absolute freedom to do whatever they wanted and he wouldn’t do anything if they slow rolled it out interfered with the deal. The Biden admin made that obvious and Israel here has confirmed it. The ceasefire failing is awful but we would have never got one in the first place if Biden was still President. And the genocide has lways been escalating. They were already restricting aid during Biden, that’s why they tried to do that stupid pier thing that failed, even though they could have demanded Israel open up the roads for aid trucks. It’s always been steadily increasing in more destruction, less aid, more dead journalists, more dead UNRWA and other aid workers, etc. It’s the same deal as before just in a Trumpian instead of Biden fashion.
It’s not the smoking gun like the title claims, but it is another piece of evidence in the pile.
While it is a piece of evidence, there is nothing concrete to support it leading to: Biden and White House lied about cease fire efforts.
It could also be used to say: Biden and White House could have applied more pressure … if they wanted to lose influence in the negotiations.
Lose influence in WHAT negotiations? Like Israel had something the USA wanted? If the US has just stopped sending arms, munitions, and intelligence to Israel, what do you think Israel would have done “in the negotiations”? Tarrifs on the US? Like, what the fuck do you think is actually happening here?
The article links to a video where Harris states: “the president and I are working around the clock every day to get that ceasefire deal done.” here.
And where is the evidence to refute that? In the article, every complaint from the staffers that were published refer to Netanyahu being the one holding shit up. Transcribe where the staffers said Biden wasn’t working around the clock. It’s not there.
Here’s an article from Times of Israel corroborating the claims:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/top-biden-aide-israel-missed-opportunity-for-saudi-deal-hopefully-it-wont-do-so-again/
Emphasis mine
What claims? Again that article describes Biden and the admin of being frustrated with Netanyahu and some of his ministers. It also lays out how Biden and the admin were trying to negotiate and create pressure to force Netanyahu out through elections.
You have one quote from one former ambassador with no supporting evidence.
Even that would indicate that there was no ultimatum of “ceasefire or else” given, but still leaves open the “hey this is a bad idea and you’re only going to cause death and genocide and force more people to support your opposition”.
That wouldn’t be tirelessly working for a ceasefire at all.
It wouldn’t be “using every option available” but that doesn’t equal “working tirelessly”.
Words matter especially in this era of misusing words to pretend something else is occurring.
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The person in charge of the state department is the Secretary of State (Antony Blinken). Which is a stretch to say that it comes directly from Biden or the White House since it is written by a branch department. It comes from the state department. The memo declaring that they had to publish that information came from Biden, but again the response that you’re livid at was written by the state department. Notice how the only people who were targeted in the article were people who didn’t publish that bullshit? Whoever wrote the report is clearly disingenuous but to directly tie that to their superiors is not how that works. You need actual evidence and so far all I have seen is hearsay.
The video of Harris saying that her and Biden are doing all they can is also probably overplaying it a bit, but again the only evidence in that article is that other staffers were complaining about Netanyahu being the problem.
How does that translate into “Biden lied about doing everything and oh yeah let’s throw a hit piece on AOC” and finish the article off on that note with also no evidence beyond hearsay?
I see a shit ton of .ml accounts signal boosting this article, partying like its October 2024. I don’t buy the legitimacy of “altmedia.house” either. None of it passes the sniff test, to say nothing of the current state of the world.
Yeah I’ve been generally assuming this is outside interference from conservatives to fuck with democrat morale. It’s not coherent or logically laid out and has no evidence that actually supports the conclusion…
Sounds really conservative to me after that.
LOL, you think conservatives are worried about Democrat morale being so high that it might make them effective at something? Jesus you people are just so wrapped up in your own bullshit fantasy. The Republicans do not care about hurting the morale of Democrat voters. The Democratic party, it’s leaders, and the elected officials that adhere to it destroy voter morale all on their own without any need for assistance.
Essentially, the Republicans are following this aphorism - Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake.
Yeah I was gonna say, blaming Biden for anything is exactly what Trump is doing right now. lol
Its funny that we’re not allowed to call out Biden for his bullshit before the election, and now we still can’t call out Biden for his bullshit after the election even after their bullshit contributed to the Democrat’s loss. When are you guys ever gonna learn if any criticism is hand waved away as being a Republican misinformation effort. Do you want to continue losing the election?
You were absolutely allowed to call him out during the election and after. Just use actual evidence that supports the claim you’re making. Not “one former ambassador said “they never said “stop, right now”” which means they lied about trying at all”. There were clearly attempts to stop the genocide, though they likely didn’t go as far as they should have.
Fuck Biden.
The article links to a video where Harris states: “the president and I are working around the clock every day to get that ceasefire deal done.” here.