Liberalism is an ideology with two main parts. First is political liberalism which focuses on individual freedoms, democracy, and human rights. Second is economic liberalism which centers around free markets, private property, and wealth accumulation. These two aspects form a contradiction. Political liberalism purports to support everyone’s freedom, while economic liberalism enshrines private property rights as sacred in laws and constitutions, effectively removing them from political debate.
Liberalism justifies the use of state violence to safeguard property rights even when they come into direct conflict with providing necessities such as food, shelter, and healthcare. The idea that private property is a key part of individual freedom provides the foundational justification for the rich to keep their wealth while ignoring the needs of everyone else. Thus, all the talk of promoting freedom and democracy is nothing more than a fig leaf to provide cover for justifying capitalist relations.
I very much understand all of this. Do you truly prefer maga? You would rather have ICE raids than student loan forgiveness? You would rather have Medicaid cuts than the CHIPS act. I am not a liberal but I have to admit I am extremely embarrassed by the short sightedness and lack of care from modern leftists. Letting Trump won is causing so much harm to people who don’t deserve it. Is the DNC the answer, fuck no. But letting republicans win everything is clearly pushing America to the far right.
Exhibit number 6,631 of liberals refusing to process the existence of people to their left and just pretending everyone who disagrees with their preferred form of polite fascism must secretly just be a different type of fascist.
Also lol if you think the dems are ever going to do student loan forgiveness. They’ll be dangling that scrap over your head to get you to vote for the next bipartisan genocide until the day you die.
Because leftists are pushing the youth towards the right. There are way more lil Nazis then there ever have been. Y’all are the reactionary assholes that assume I have to love the DNC, quite the opposite. I can however, see reality.
I don’t vote for a genocide. Neither party is going to fully control Israel. Allowing Trump to take office was the true worst case scenario for Gaza and it’s people and that is proven more true everyday. The only reality is that more Palestinians are dead because Trump is the President and they now have no shot at any sort of future as an independent nation because Trump became President. If you didn’t vote for Kamala and could have you are responsible for that but your fanatascism and lack of awareness allow you to lie to yourself. If you actually gave a shit about the people over your narrative . . .
In what possible way are leftists pushing youth towards the right? The opposite is happening, the left is growing rapidly. There is also a surge in the far-right, driven by the US Empire crumbling. You’re baselessly accusing the left of being responsible for the right, while sitting on a high horse pretending you’re the one that can see reality? Come on.
The right, liberals and fascists included, have always been in support of the capitalist status quo. This did not change over 15 years. What has changed is that imperialism is weakening and capitalisn is decaying. The left in the US did not do this, capitalism is inducing its own demise and the reactionaries are running to the right while leftists gain strength.
Ahh yes, the demise where it is in place in literally every country on the planet and right wing parties are gaining momentum everywhere. What are you actually talking about?
Not only are you creating a false dichotomy here, but you’re ignoring the fact that Trump coming to power is itself is a direct product of decades of liberal policies.
The question you need to ask yourself is what made his message resonate with people now when this sort of rhetoric was ignored before. People are falling out of the liberal mainstream because they see their material conditions decline, this makes them lose faith in the system and mainstream media. This is what creates room for opportunists like Trump to come in and promise change like draining the swamp, and so on. Obviously, he is continuing the same policies that benefit the ruling class, but the same people who were fooled by the liberal message for decades prior, are now fooled by his promises.
The dem party as a whole is fundamentally a right wing party. The NYC is proof that there is demand for left wing policies in the US, but they cannot be implemented sustainably within the capitalist system.
Right, but it’s currently the only system in use anywhere. It is truly a despicable way of life that will likely cause the end of this planet but I am 99% sure that allowing it to be completely controlled by billionaire tech edge lords and racist incels is not a better outcome than Kamala. This isn’t about being the entire game plan and effort but allowing the further right party gain control by not voting just doesn’t make any sense to me. Every single president of my lifetime has sucked but the damage done by Bush with Homeland Security shit and what Trump is doing with ICE is honestly detrimental enough that ignoring it is fucking weird to me. Again, I do not like the DNC but I understand the dystopian nature of the country I live in and the true hopelessness of third party votes. The DNC will never get a penny from me unless hell freezes over and they run actual leftists, but they will get my vote because I can’t picture a single scenario where anyone’s life is improved when Republicans are in control.
Uh no, other systems very much do exist. Go look at China or Vietnam as two obvious counter examples. The reality is that the US will continue on the exact same trajectory regardless of which oligarch owned party is in charge. The US is a dictatorship of capital. Until people start organizing outside voting and create an actual labour movement, nothing will fundamentally change.
Liberalism is an ideology with two main parts. First is political liberalism which focuses on individual freedoms, democracy, and human rights. Second is economic liberalism which centers around free markets, private property, and wealth accumulation. These two aspects form a contradiction. Political liberalism purports to support everyone’s freedom, while economic liberalism enshrines private property rights as sacred in laws and constitutions, effectively removing them from political debate.
Liberalism justifies the use of state violence to safeguard property rights even when they come into direct conflict with providing necessities such as food, shelter, and healthcare. The idea that private property is a key part of individual freedom provides the foundational justification for the rich to keep their wealth while ignoring the needs of everyone else. Thus, all the talk of promoting freedom and democracy is nothing more than a fig leaf to provide cover for justifying capitalist relations.
This is an excellent primer on the subject https://orgrad.wordpress.com/articles/liberalism-the-two-faced-tyranny-of-wealth/
I very much understand all of this. Do you truly prefer maga? You would rather have ICE raids than student loan forgiveness? You would rather have Medicaid cuts than the CHIPS act. I am not a liberal but I have to admit I am extremely embarrassed by the short sightedness and lack of care from modern leftists. Letting Trump won is causing so much harm to people who don’t deserve it. Is the DNC the answer, fuck no. But letting republicans win everything is clearly pushing America to the far right.
Exhibit number 6,631 of liberals refusing to process the existence of people to their left and just pretending everyone who disagrees with their preferred form of polite fascism must secretly just be a different type of fascist.
Also lol if you think the dems are ever going to do student loan forgiveness. They’ll be dangling that scrap over your head to get you to vote for the next bipartisan genocide until the day you die.
How on earth did you come to the conclusion the comment you were responding to was supporting MAGA? Honestly baffling
Because it doesn’t support Democrats and anything that doesn’t support them must be supporting MAGA. Politics is black and white like that.
Because leftists are pushing the youth towards the right. There are way more lil Nazis then there ever have been. Y’all are the reactionary assholes that assume I have to love the DNC, quite the opposite. I can however, see reality.
You vote for a genocide and tell yourself it’s because you’re anti-fascist… you sure that’s reality you can see?
I don’t vote for a genocide. Neither party is going to fully control Israel. Allowing Trump to take office was the true worst case scenario for Gaza and it’s people and that is proven more true everyday. The only reality is that more Palestinians are dead because Trump is the President and they now have no shot at any sort of future as an independent nation because Trump became President. If you didn’t vote for Kamala and could have you are responsible for that but your fanatascism and lack of awareness allow you to lie to yourself. If you actually gave a shit about the people over your narrative . . .
In what possible way are leftists pushing youth towards the right? The opposite is happening, the left is growing rapidly. There is also a surge in the far-right, driven by the US Empire crumbling. You’re baselessly accusing the left of being responsible for the right, while sitting on a high horse pretending you’re the one that can see reality? Come on.
The far right seems to be winning both the culture war and the political war. This was unimaginable 15 years ago.
The right, liberals and fascists included, have always been in support of the capitalist status quo. This did not change over 15 years. What has changed is that imperialism is weakening and capitalisn is decaying. The left in the US did not do this, capitalism is inducing its own demise and the reactionaries are running to the right while leftists gain strength.
Ahh yes, the demise where it is in place in literally every country on the planet and right wing parties are gaining momentum everywhere. What are you actually talking about?
Because in the US not voting always favors the conservative party. Do any of you have any knowledge history?
Not only are you creating a false dichotomy here, but you’re ignoring the fact that Trump coming to power is itself is a direct product of decades of liberal policies.
It’s not though. He came to power through a strong propaganda network, he is actually just continuing liberal policies.
The question you need to ask yourself is what made his message resonate with people now when this sort of rhetoric was ignored before. People are falling out of the liberal mainstream because they see their material conditions decline, this makes them lose faith in the system and mainstream media. This is what creates room for opportunists like Trump to come in and promise change like draining the swamp, and so on. Obviously, he is continuing the same policies that benefit the ruling class, but the same people who were fooled by the liberal message for decades prior, are now fooled by his promises.
Because NYC has proof the DNC is not far enough left to achieve their goals. Everywhere else the DNC can be used as a leftist Boogeyman.
The dem party as a whole is fundamentally a right wing party. The NYC is proof that there is demand for left wing policies in the US, but they cannot be implemented sustainably within the capitalist system.
Right, but it’s currently the only system in use anywhere. It is truly a despicable way of life that will likely cause the end of this planet but I am 99% sure that allowing it to be completely controlled by billionaire tech edge lords and racist incels is not a better outcome than Kamala. This isn’t about being the entire game plan and effort but allowing the further right party gain control by not voting just doesn’t make any sense to me. Every single president of my lifetime has sucked but the damage done by Bush with Homeland Security shit and what Trump is doing with ICE is honestly detrimental enough that ignoring it is fucking weird to me. Again, I do not like the DNC but I understand the dystopian nature of the country I live in and the true hopelessness of third party votes. The DNC will never get a penny from me unless hell freezes over and they run actual leftists, but they will get my vote because I can’t picture a single scenario where anyone’s life is improved when Republicans are in control.
Uh no, other systems very much do exist. Go look at China or Vietnam as two obvious counter examples. The reality is that the US will continue on the exact same trajectory regardless of which oligarch owned party is in charge. The US is a dictatorship of capital. Until people start organizing outside voting and create an actual labour movement, nothing will fundamentally change.