Whatever you define them as they are hierarchal structures used to secure wealth and resources from the main bulk of the populace. Hierarchies cannot exist in a truly equal system.
They aren’t used to secure wealth and resources from the working class, they are extensions of the ruling class in society. In socialism, that’s the working class, and the state oppresses the bourgeoisie and defends from outside attack. There’s also administration, which is a necessary hierarchy even in anarchist systems, as production at a large scale requires managers, just like battlefields need footsoldiers, tacticians, and strategians.
Anarchist systems do not require hierarchy. Even if they require some management that can be easily achieved without creating a hierarchy. This has been fun. Thanks ML Brigade. And they are used that way, hence the state of the world with the minority ruling and having all, the wealthy “elites”.
Yet again, “These gentlemen think that when they have changed the names of things they have changed the things themselves.”
Y’all have had the better part of two centuries to read On Authority, it ain’t even that long. Management without hierarchy jfc, whatever sort of structure you think that entails I can guarantee you’d have called the exact same structure totalitarian or some such childish name when it was actually attempted in a socialist state.
Management and administration is usually referred to by anarchists as justifiable hierarchy, because pretending management isn’t a form of heirarchy is fringe among anarchists, in my experience. Secondly, states are not used that way in socialist systems.
From my experience designated people share information but they have no authority to make decisions. Also from my experience every state is infected with capitalism.
How do you intend on defending against a NATO invasion without a hierarchically-organised military?
Similarly, how do you intend on resisting NATO espionage and sabotage?
Fantastic essay, even have it in my reading list. Really helps nail down why formalizing groups actually helps with transparency, it’s like casting a spotlight.
Whatever you define them as they are hierarchal structures used to secure wealth and resources from the main bulk of the populace. Hierarchies cannot exist in a truly equal system.
Bedtimes are authoritarian
No gods, no broccoli
They aren’t used to secure wealth and resources from the working class, they are extensions of the ruling class in society. In socialism, that’s the working class, and the state oppresses the bourgeoisie and defends from outside attack. There’s also administration, which is a necessary hierarchy even in anarchist systems, as production at a large scale requires managers, just like battlefields need footsoldiers, tacticians, and strategians.
Anarchist systems do not require hierarchy. Even if they require some management that can be easily achieved without creating a hierarchy. This has been fun. Thanks ML Brigade. And they are used that way, hence the state of the world with the minority ruling and having all, the wealthy “elites”.
Anarchist systems? Like what, a fucking soup kitchen?
Yet again, “These gentlemen think that when they have changed the names of things they have changed the things themselves.”
Y’all have had the better part of two centuries to read On Authority, it ain’t even that long. Management without hierarchy jfc, whatever sort of structure you think that entails I can guarantee you’d have called the exact same structure totalitarian or some such childish name when it was actually attempted in a socialist state.
https://anarwiki.org/wiki/Freetown_Christiania
No hierarchy. None is needed.
No hierarchy. None is needed. https://archive.ph/7ZOvY
Yeah just keep mocking. Its a great look.
Can do!
My favorite trope is when people confidently state nonsense, and then get really upset when they get called out on it.
I guess Anarchism would be nonsense to a Marxist Lenist. I’ll disengage.
Management and administration is usually referred to by anarchists as justifiable hierarchy, because pretending management isn’t a form of heirarchy is fringe among anarchists, in my experience. Secondly, states are not used that way in socialist systems.
From my experience designated people share information but they have no authority to make decisions. Also from my experience every state is infected with capitalism.
You’d be wrong on both accounts.
How do you intend on defending against a NATO invasion without a hierarchically-organised military?
Similarly, how do you intend on resisting NATO espionage and sabotage?
They don’t. They are most likely from a NATO or NATO aligned country who prefer being well off at the expense of the third world
Alright, what’s your plan to abolish hierarchies, chief?
Call them by another name, silly
Also, gotta make sure they form implicitly around the most narcissistic individuals without any means of oversight or recall. https://www.jofreeman.com/joreen/tyranny.htm
Fantastic essay, even have it in my reading list. Really helps nail down why formalizing groups actually helps with transparency, it’s like casting a spotlight.
Exactly, if hierarchies are going to end up forming anyways, it’s much better to build them consciously and put in safety mechanisms.