It’s easier just recommending the distro rather than Linux in general.

I know someone who was starting to dislike windows, I sent them the Linux mint site. Had a much more positive interaction compared to when I had just previously said “what about using Linux?”

I actually think this is a similar way to push the fediverse. Just recommend a good instance instead of trying to sell them on federated technology. The federated technology will show them content and “how does this actually work” could be a conversation for later.

I use ubuntu and I don’t think I ever read docs

Actually, I had to remove snap once.

Granted, I am and was familiar with the basics of linux due to having a raspberry pi.

This trick also works

Production? That’s just our pool of thousands of testers who pay for the privilege!

Everyone arguing about the amount of keypresses to type a shutdown command and time it takes to shutdown… I just power it off at the wall. One button press, shutdown is near instantaneous

Check your modlog related to dubvee. Developer is that admin.

Run the command db0 provided. I can’t find you unfortunately.

Apparently I am

They put a specific regex thing after my name, specifically, just in case I ever make accounts with the same username but different numbers after it?

They also alphabetically sorted it all which was very nice of them.

Apparently I’m left wing now? People can’t make up their mind!

Welcome to the club 🤝

Mum, I’m on the list!

Linux from scratch

when?

So British were… Christian now? Some were, sure. But only in the later first century.

Rome only invaded the isle in 40 c.e or so. Paul was on the other side of the world. He may have been “aware” that they existed, but he certainly wasn’t influenced by them. And frankly given how he didn’t write them any letters… I find that dubious.(he died around 65ad, and the letter furthest west was to Rome.)

You said “until WW2”. Britain was Christian within that wide timeframe you provided. I know for a fact from my own family history that wasn’t the case.

You keep trying to say that’s okay because husbands are supposed to love their wives. But that’s not equality, it’s misogyny.

It’s not supposed to be equality by the white, western secular definition of it. A woman can also choose not to marry, as to which she’d be subject to the same authority structures as men. Marriage is choosing to submit to a man of your choice. The Bible and Christianity doesn’t have to conform to 21st century white society. In fact, Christianity has basically always opposed society, everywhere and anywhere. In USA ‘Republican’ circles, it condemns their greed and selfish attitudes. In USA ‘Democratic’ circles, it condemns their fornication and rebelliousness. In China, they don’t take issue with the views of marriage, but do take issue with the charitable aspects and demands of Christianity. At times in history Husbands didn’t love their wives, at other times, wives didn’t obey their husbands. There is no historical point in time or person other than Jesus where this has been practiced properly. In fact, men cannot be perfect like Jesus is, but it’s what’s expected of them. And this is all from the fall:

Genesis 3:16

To the woman he said, “I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be contrary to your husband, but he shall rule over you.”

He also says that Christian’s are slaves to Christ

I don’t have an issue with this. Far better than the alternative - being a slave to Satan.

It doesn’t matter if masters are to love their slaves or husbands love their wives.

It definitely does matter.

“But I’m a loving husband” doesn’t make controlling and subjugating your wife okay.

A loving husband doesn’t control and subjugate his wife. Your sentence here doesn’t make any sense at all.

The Bible doesn’t tell men to control and subjugate their wives. It tells them to love (agapos) them, lead them, and guide them.

In europe, arranged marriages were normal until ww2

At least in the UK, that’s just not true. It was a thing nobility did, but it anyone who wasn’t generally married for love. Even the Bible documents marrying for love on separate occasions in old testament times.

So. if obedience and love (or service, since you brought that up,) are the same and equivalent things… why make distinctions. Why not say “husbands obey your wives?”

Service, obedience and love aren’t the same things. A good policeman serves his community, but he doesn’t submit to them. A lot of the time, service does involve hearing out their opinion, and loving them, but not submission. If two partners were to submit to each other, how does it work when the wife orders her husband and her husband orders her to not order him, in which she returns by ordering him to not order her to not order him, and so forth? Which one is in the right here?

So yeah. seems very patriarchal to me. Jesus doesn’t obey the chruch, or submit to the church. He commands it, and “the church” is to submit.

Exactly. But he serves the Church by interceding for them, granting miracles, teaching them, and most of all, going through torture and pains, even that of death, to save them. He is patient and ever-forgiving with us. He doesn’t forsake us no matter how much or how badly we screw up. And Husbands are ordered to do the same.

I’m not denying that this is patriarchal - there is an element of patriarchy to Christian families. But I wouldn’t use the term patriarchy due to it’s secular undertones where it’s perceived that the man doesn’t display Christ-like love for his wife. God laid out the structure that the husband is the head of the wife and that God is the head of the husband. Across the Bible, even by some extent in the book of Genesis, Marriage is depicted as a picture of Christ and His Church. That’s what marriage is - it’s a picture to show us our relationship to God. The Church is the Bride of Christ.

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Remember. They’re to obey their fathers. Who would be arranging marriages well before they reached marital age.

And then they’re married, they’re to obey their husbands. young girls were not making these decisions. Their parents were.

This didn’t really happen in Christendom.

There’s still no verse where Paul says to obey women in the same way that women are to obey men. I’m sorry. Husbands are to obey wives in the same way wives are to obey husbands.

Husbands don’t necessarily obey their wives in the same way. Husbands are given a greater task of “loving their wives as Christ loved The Church”

Ephesians 5:23-33

For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands. Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, so that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish. In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ does the church, because we are members of his body. “Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” This mystery is profound, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church. However, let each one of you love his wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.

This definitely cannot be ignored, the implications of this command must be broken down.

Husbands are to serve their wives, not the other way around:

Mark 10:45

For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

Husbands are to be willing to die for their wives. Not just in taking a bullet - that’s too easy - but dying to your own passions and desires everyday for the comfort of your wife - because you love her and do this out of love.

I should also emphasise the meaning of the word love here:

ἀγαπάω (agapos, verb for agape ἀγάπη)

This isn’t the same word as sexual love (eros). In fact, it’s basically exclusively used to describe the love that God has for us.

ἀγάπη is very sharply defined also:

1 Corinthians 13:1-13

If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing. Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways. For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known. So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

So it’s not the secular view of a patriarchal system, but a self-sacrificing Christlike husband whom the wife trusts and obeys.

He doesn’t tell women to submit to men, he tells wives to submit to their husbands. Both male and female children submit to their parents. Of course he doesn’t tell parents to submit to their children, that’s essentially lunacy.

Also there were very few women who were unmarried, culturally, at that time, the role of women were to mary and attend to their husband’s house and raise their children. No where does he contradict that.

Generally it’s traditionally believed that Mary Magdalene didn’t marry. Consecrated virgins (nuns) were also a thing

Paul defends the decision of women not to marry

1 Corinthians 7:8-9

To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain single, as I am. But if they cannot exercise self-control, they should marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

Yes, I do see that, but that’s within a marriage setting. Completely different to if a man she isn’t married to refuses to hire her as an accountant because she’s a woman.