@Kichae@kbin.social @Kichae@tenforward.social @Kichae@kitchenparty.social

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  • So, there are issues with something like inheriting comment threads in a segmented moderation space like Lemmy. Cross-posting a post from one community to another means crossing… let’s call them “regulatory boundaries”. Comments posted in Community 1, hosted on Website X may violate the rules of Community 2, hosted on Website Y. So, what would that mean in terms of rules enforcement?

    As a moderator, you can delete the comments you’ve inherited, but it’s a lot harder to keep up when you’ve just gotten 50 or 100 comments dumped on you all at once. It also breaks the syncronization you seem to be looking for.

    You can decide that moderators at the receiving community can’t moderate the discussion, but that’s just ends up seeming somewhat parasitic, and a clear and open vector for abuse.

    On top of the moderation issues, it also means giving users the ability to just… inject people into a community who aren’t members, both without the consent of that community, and without the consent of the people being injected in. Like, what happens if I were to cross-post something into a troll community? Suddenly, I’ve just exposed dozens of people – if not more – to a harassment ring, with two clicks of a button.

    Personally, I fail to see the upsides. This really just seems like yet another way to try and paper over the fact that we’re all using different websites, and to ignore the websites that we’re actually using in favour of make believing that we’re in the centre of the panopticon.







  • I think a significant issue here is that Reddit is not built for fostering communities, and things that mimic Reddit will not foster them, either. The whole model is built around an endless number of very large, single subject discussion spaces with functionally no globally consistent moderation or oversight.

    This is a model of content categorization and filtering for individual consumption, not community building. Lemmy “communities” are just content tags, they’re not real community spaces. They’re never going to encourage the kind of tight knit spaces with idiosyncratic customs, rituals, and rules that actual vommunities have. They’re never going to let you get to know others because “off topic” discussions are meant to be had in entirely different spaces.

    Reddit and reddit-like services are about content creation and delivery, noy community. Thatms baked into the form.





  • Kichae@lemmy.catoLemmy@lemmy.mlGoodbye Reddit, Hello Lemmy!
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    7 months ago

    Now why am I on Lemmy? Because in my opinion, it’s the first step towards a mainstream Fedivers! Mastodon … [isn’t] very widespread, but when you see the number of people active in Lemmy communities, it’s really impressive!

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    Mastodon has an order of magnitude more active users than Lemmy - and the whole rest of the Fediverse - if not two orders of magnitude.

    Lemmy’s a great platform, but Reddit is already the niche social media site among the mainstream, and the kind if niche interest forums that ultimately built Reddit just haven’t reached critical mass here yet, and that means Reddit remains very sticky. Pile on people being kind of uncomfortable with the local namespaces for both users and communities, and I don’t know that Lemmy’s really the killer platform for the 'verse.

    Fediverse adotion is going to be a collective effort. Loops has a good chance of attracting people. It would be nice if Mastodon would actually use a standard ActivityPub implementation so it played nicer with neighbours. And microblogger discovering something other than Mastodon would be nice.

    But it’s not going to be just one platform. If it is, then the fediverse idea has totally failed.


  • Cool. You… don’t have to use it, or any sites that leverage it. But the Fediverse is an open network, and to that extent it should be able to support everyone’s needs. But if we want the Fediverse to be anything other than an internet enthusiast circlejerk, rather than a backbone technology for the internet, then supporting a wide variety of use cases is necessary.


  • Yeah, if we want to get people off of centralized, private social media sites, we really need Patreon integration for a range of fedi services. It’s one of the significant pipelines for Discord adoption.

    Lemmy/*bin, PeerTube, Matrix, what have you all have immediate drop-in replacement value. Other services, like Mastodon, don’t have the same level of potential segmentation and exclusivity inherent in how they’re built, but it’d be a way to set up paid access servers.

    These kinds of gateways are important for actually making the fediverse seem like a viable alternative. Right now, the incentives are driving people toward closed gardens and destroying the open internet.






  • The community belongs to a website, yes. You’re just subscribing to it remotely.

    Lemmy is decentealized in the same way the web is decentealized. You can’t get articles from Blog 13705 if blog13795.net goes offline. That doesn’t make the web not decentealized.

    At the end of the day, the whole fediverse is a bunch of independent websites hosting copies of other websites’ content. They’re not cloud communities, they’re mirrors.