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sorry, but arent the crimes of their fathers the sole basis for our worshipping them, allowing tbem political power and sending the pricks millions upon millions of tax payer pounds?

you dont reckon its a little disingenuous to complain about people shitting on their heritage when said heritage is the entire argument for their existence

i actively want the UKs overseas influence to wane

i dont think that one comes from white people

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I do not see compulsory military service as forced labour, not by a long shot.

performing labour or 6 months of jail does sound completely unforced

A country that offers equal rights, universal healthcare and free education for all citizens, amongst many other tax-paid services.

i am so glad that you have all of that

If you do not see your own country worth serving, I feel sad for you

i said nothing about whether i see my own country as worth serving, but your pity is appreciated

I would gladly give my life to protect mine

and youll continue to have the option to do so regardless of whether your government continues to threaten its citizens into doing so

The issue is you’re confusing compulsory labour with forced labour.

seems like a you problem, what with you talking about compulsory labour while i explicitly said forced labour

If you don’t do conscription or civil service work (the alternative option) the consequences are a fine, or jail.

“youre not forced to do it, you just get tossed in jail if you dont do it”

In countries at high risk of conflict (eg Taiwan), it’s practically required for their continued short-term existence.

if a country can only motivate its people to actually protect said country by threatening them into doing so, it didnt actually deserve protection

and just stops people discussing the actual pros and cons of the practice.

good, i do not want people discussing the actual pros of slavery

im assuming you mean nuanced

me not agreeing with you doesnt mean i didnt consider your perspective, and saying ‘well surely not all forced labour is slavery’ isnt nuance

ok

forced labour is slavery

the system for who is required to participate has practically never been fair and equitable, jury duty is not comparable to military service, and forced labour is slavery

civil jury duty is a really weird example to use anyway, since civil jury trials are practically non existent outside the USA

forced labour is slavery

maybe folks would sign up to protect their country if they thought it deserved to be protected, or was doing anything for them

that some folks genuinely believe the same people were running the nordics 70 years ago, apparently

just out of curiosity, when will killing these guys be considered self defense

It’s pretty clear you somehow counted Ukraine being invaded by Russia as reason for Ukraine to not oppose the murderous embargo on Cuba

thats funny, ‘it being pretty clear that i meant russia’ is a weird reason for thinking i meant cuba

It’s pretty clear you somehow counted Ukraine being invaded by Russia as reason for Ukraine to not oppose the murderous embargo on Cuba, unrelated country on the other side of the world.

currently relying on military aid from the US government to deal with an ongoing invasion might be a reason to abstain from voting against an embargo being upheld by the US government

‘the other US vassals’ are generally not currently relying on military aid from the US government to deal with an ongoing invasion

i figured that was pretty clearly what i was talking about, what with it being the literal topic of the conversation:

They’re receiving a lot of military support from the US, so it’s not surprising that they’d at least be cautious about taking a position that might harm ties with the US.

i can appreciate that third parties can only become mainstream if folks vote for them while they arent, and that its perfectly possible that there will never be a ‘right’ time to vote for them

even if you dont think its worth it now, theyre at least using their vote to improve things long term

can you explain in detail how you came to the conclusion that i meant ‘by cuba’, because im genuinely interested

how many of those are currently suffering an invasion

unless youre actually voting for a third party, not voting for the shinier turd is still a worthless position that does not improve anything

that makes sense for a country where the few black folks that did live there were usually not exactly living it up

this might be controversial, but in my opinion killing children is bad regardless of where you do it

in the cases where ‘their masters’ was a middleschooler, yes