You son of a-

That sucks.

I’m not disputing any of that. I’m just saying that it seems like it wouldn’t work super well.

I’m just some guy on the internet. I’m expecting an opinion. I don’t wish to suggest we should do away with it because it’s probably not the most helpful thing we could do; not at all. Keep it, use it, be happy and hold a parade.

I still think that it’s not as effective as it could be because you’ll always have air leak, and probably enough that putting a small hole in a fire break to run a cable probably won’t make things much worse.

Code says you have to seal it, so that’s what you’d be obligated to do. I’m only questioning if there’s better options that would be more effective. That’s all.

Oh, I’m not saying it’s not functional in stone capacity. I understand the physics and what is trying to be accomplished with it, but unless it’s done with pretty tight tolerance so any air leakage between the upper and lower spaces is as close to nil as possible, then it’s not going to be super effective.

You’re spot on. The vast majority of news coverage and “hype” from the general public relating to Y2K was all horse shit, but there were critical systems that did have issues and needed some work.

For the most part, the whole 19100 issue was a display bug, and likely wouldn’t have caused problems, and the same for 1900… Those are examples that people generally saw at banks and whatnot, it would, for the most part, look weird, but for the most part, wouldn’t create any actual problems. It would just be confusing for a while until the system caught up.

I think there’s a few examples of companies missing the January 1st deadline and ending up with stuff marked as January 1900 for a bit. Otherwise they didn’t have any significant issues.

Anything that involves a legally binding agreement would be critical though. Since the date is part of the agreement terms, it would need to be correct, and shown correctly.

Unless the “bug” literally crashed the system (which, it really should not have in most cases), like in your example, or it was connected to a legal contract, then it really wasn’t that big of a problem.

The media, and people in general kept going on about it like they knew what the technical problem was, and it was always just conjecture and banter that made people worry unnecessarily.

What I’m trying to say is that Y2K was something that needed to be fixed but the likelihood that it would affect any singular person in society was very small. Those that were going to be affected, generally knew who they were and they were taking the steps required to fix the problem.

Seems pointless considering the fire stop is made from something flammable.

It could be, depending on where you land on the DIY vs building code spectrum… Also what your local building code details in terms of low voltage cable.

In my experience unless you’re intentionally going through air handling ductwork, CMG is fine, though I would go with CMR at least, just as a matter of safety. I have yet to see a residential home with any fire protection or fire breaks, at all, nevermind where you would think to put them, like between floors and whatnot. The homes in my area are mostly built from timber, so we’re basically living inside a framework of dried out wood, so putting a fire break between wood framed floors where the floor/ceiling shares a set of wooden cross members for support, seems like it would be unnecessary, since the framing of the building is going to conduct the fire between levels.

Ethernet is low voltage, so it’s largely unregulated. The only real regulation is regarding plenum or riser spaces, and the latter is mostly when floors are intentionally or naturally separated in terms of shared fate when it comes to fire. I only see fire breaks in concrete structures, usually apartments or commercial buildings.

YMMV, not every country has the same building codes, so every person reading this will need to do their own research or pay someone who knows.

My point remains, regardless of all this conjecture: even if it’s $2000 or more, this is structure cabling that should service the premise for as long as it continues to stand, which is hopefully many decades. Over 20 years, at $2000 for installation, you’re looking at a cost of around $8.34/mo for the cabling to exist.

Considering people will pay 10x that for Internet service, and the addition of Ethernet in the building will allow them to take full advantage of the internet they’re paying for, I’d call that a bargain.

In this thread: mostly people that don’t know how timekeeping works on computers.

This is already something that we’re solving for. At this point, it’s like 90% or better, ready to go.

See: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem

Time keeping, commonly, is stored as a binary number that represents how many seconds have passed since midnight (UTC) on January 1st 1970. Since the year 10,000 isn’t x seconds away from epoch (1970-01-01T00:00:00Z), where x is any factor of 2 (aka 2^x, where x is any integer), any discrepancies in the use of “year” as a 4 digit number vs a 5 digit number, are entirely a display issue (front end). The thing that does the actual processing, storing and evaluation of time, gives absolutely no fucks about what “year” it is, because the current datetime is a binary number representing the seconds since epoch.

Whether that is displayed to you correctly or not, doesn’t matter in the slightest. The machine will function even if you see some weird shit, like the year being 99 100 because some lazy person decided to hard code it to show “99” as the first two digits, then take the current year, subtract 9900, and display whatever was left (so it would show the year 9999 as “99”, and the year 10000 as year “100”) so the date becomes 99 concatenated with the last two (now three) digits left over.

I get that it’s a joke, but the joke isn’t based on any technical understanding of how timekeeping works in technology.

The whole W2k thing was a bunch of fear mongering horse shit. For most systems, the year would have shown as “19-100”, 1900, or simply “00” (or some variant thereof).

Edit: the image in the OP is also a depiction of me reading replies. I just can’t even.

64 bits value

… About that… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem

There’s no shortage of liars and cheats everywhere. I’m unsurprised that a company world either intentionally, or through sheer ignorance, have “antennas” that are little more than aesthetic pieces of plastic.

I could preach all day about this.

I have a simple philosophy: wired when you can, wireless when you have to.

With that being said, doing a site survey for wifi and getting optimal access point locations, then placing Ethernet in ceiling there for said access points, ensures you have good coverage of your space, which then leads into another rant about network hardware and people spending thousands on everything except their router/access points even if they have the structure cables to support such a system…

Then people wonder why their wifi sucks.

I mean, spend a couple hundred one time to get Ethernet run, spend some time on an online ap placement tool and signal estimator for it, and then go buy infrastructure wireless for your home, and spend upwards of $1000 on networking hardware. You’ll get more out of it and it will work for longer than your $1000+ smart phone, or many $1000s laptop that use it almost constantly.

Networking is critical and it should be seamless and blend into the background. You shouldn’t need to mess with it constantly to get it to work. If that’s normal for you, then something is very wrong.

I’m a network professional with a specialty in wireless.

Yeah, beam forming and mimo are the main reasons for antenna diversity. There’s also more radio chains in those units typically, and more radio chains can provide better speeds if you have client devices that can take advantage of the extra radio chains (both sides need to have the same, increased number of radio chains to see an increase).

The antennas are fairly small/thin pieces of wire that are not very long, so the antennas don’t need to look like that, but the quantity is useful.

A pain in the arse you only need to do once, and you can hire someone to do it for you for basically the same cost as a couple of the high end wireless routers, so in like 5 years, you break even.

Also, how much have you spent on your computer (s), phone(s), tablet(s), and all your other internet connected devices, and you won’t spend like $500 on something that can run all that stuff simultaneously? Pouring literally thousands of dollars on connected devices, but most won’t pay more than they would for a toaster, to get them on the internet, then pay out the wahzoo for gigabit internet that your crummy d-link router can’t handle, and you wonder why all your fancy gadgets run like shit… It’s a lot like buying a Ferrari to drive on dirt/gravel roads.

I like you.

Oh. Can it be run by the government, and provided to anyone who pays taxes (either currently, in the past, or someone that will in the future, like a child)?

That would be great.

I think you just invented socialized healthcare.

Actually, that’s a typo. I intended to put left leaning, I thought I put left leaning, and reading it back a moment before seeing your comment, I noticed the error.

Whoops. My bad.

I couldn’t give less of a fuck what his political ideologies are.

It never even crossed my mind he was on the right nor that he would be on the left.

I will say, doing something for the greater good is a very leftist ideology, however doing something out of anger and vengeance would be more universal. Regardless of motivation, the thing he accomplished will (hopefully) be something that inspires change, specifically in regards to healthcare in the USA.

I’m not an American, and your healthcare, or lack thereof, isn’t really my problem. That being said, I’m more left leaning, and I believe in social programs (like healthcare for all). I have government healthcare where I am and as someone on the lower end of the “economic ladder” let me tell you, it’s pretty great. Sure, I might have to wait longer for some procedures, but if I’m upset about that, I can go to my GP and have my feelings checked… for free.

There’s definitely logic behind wanting to boycott their art so that you are not indirectly supporting their decisions by giving them the money to continue to do the things that they’re doing.

Of course, that is also a separate decision from whether you like the art or whether you like the artist.

Anyone trying to tie these things together is generally not someone I would want to associate with.

That’s fair. You can like something but refuse to support it.

I’m mainly taking issue with anyone who says that if you don’t like the artist, you can’t appreciate the art. I’ve heard it a few times (or some variation of it), and IMO, that’s far too common already.

I’m not a swiftie, and I’m male, so take my words as you will in that context.

Simply: IMO, it is possible to appreciate someones artistry while disliking their personal value system and actions.

Just because someone is a good artist, does not and should not imply that they are good.

Both liking someone’s music and disliking their decisions as a person, can both be true. I hate the plethora of false dichotomy arguments that you can’t appreciate music made by a person if that person is considered a bad person. One does not mean the other cannot be true.