TheTechnician27

Okay, so draw on your expertise™ to explain for the class how:

• Fandom wikis are “non-genuine” despite them meeting every criterion for one and despite by far the most prolific wiki in history detailing forward and backward how they are wikis.
• “Powered by MediaWiki” is representative of indie wikis and not of Fandom wikis to anyone who knows anything about either.

You can’t, because both are bullshit, but if you want to act like a clown, here are your unicycle and juggling pins.

There is no gatekeeping

Definitionally there is, because you called Fandom wikis “non-genuine wikis”. “genuine wikis provide a much nicer user experience than Fandom wikis”. That’s quintessential gatekeeping, and it’s incorrect gatekeeping at that, because they provably are.

just a statement of a preference, as a user.

We both agree here. You are correct to want to use platforms other than Fandom. Fandom sucks for editors, sucks for readers, and sucks for fan communities; I could write an essay explaining why. I understand the sentiment behind the meme completely; it’s the way it arrives at the sentiment that’s totally nonsensical. You’ve made no coherent point and spread misinformation. You don’t have to make a point to express your opinion, but it’s clear you tried to.

Your comment is like if someone said “You should use a Linux phone to get away from Google and Apple” and you responded with “Android uses Linux”.

I promise as someone extensively familiar with MediaWiki who even administrates an indie wiki that this comparison makes absolutely no sense, and I think you’re reaching to make the OP’s meme make any actual sense when it clearly doesn’t. If we’re reaching into Linux, this is more (still somewhat tenuously) akin to someone telling Ubuntu users that they’re not using “real Linux”. They lack the language to express Ubuntu’s actual problems which really exist and so resort to vacuous gatekeeping instead.

Edit: Actually, the analogy doesn’t even get base enough to describe that. It’s like a meme where Geordi rejects the Ubuntu logo and accepts the Tux logo, and then under that is the OP trying to argue that Ubuntu isn’t a “genuine” operating system.

Buddy, this is a joke.

That, however, does not weaken my point at all.

It invalidates your point. You’re trying to gatekeep what does and does not constitute a “wiki” while clearly having no idea what that word means. And if you knew Fandom uses MediaWiki, it clearly doesn’t show in your meme, because a) Fandom is powered by MediaWiki so it’s not mutually exclusive like Geordi implies, and b) like Fandom, most indie wikis in my experience don’t use the “Powered by MediaWiki” icon either (just in case you’d go with that bizarre, last-ditch non sequitur of an argument). Your meme is nonsense if Fandom uses MediaWiki, which it does.

As for “genuine wiki”, Fandom clearly meets all the points for being one – let alone that it literally uses the de facto wiki software. I’ll let Wikipedia speak for this as an expert witness:

A wiki is a form of hypertext publication ✅ on the internet ✅ which is collaboratively edited ✅ and managed by its audience ✅ directly through a web browser. ✅ A typical wiki contains multiple pages ✅ that can either be edited by the public ✅ or limited to use within an organization for maintaining its internal knowledge base. Wikis are powered by wiki software, ✅ also known as wiki engines. Being a form of content management system, these differ from other web-based systems such as blog software or static site generators in that the content is created without any defined owner or leader. ✅ Wikis have little inherent structure, ✅ allowing one to emerge according to the needs of the users. ✅ Wiki engines usually allow content to be written using a lightweight markup language ✅ and sometimes edited with the help of a rich-text editor. ✅

It doesn’t seem like you’re “well aware” of anything you’re talking about except the general (correct) sentiment that Fandom sucks. Fandom sucks for so many reasons that it’s legitimately impressive you managed to miss all of them while making this meme. I was being earnestly polite when you told me to touch grass, so since even that is apparently escalatory, I’ll just… not.

Uhhh… OP, Fandom uses MediaWiki. Fandom is terrible for other reasons, and not using MediaWiki anyway wouldn’t make you a “non-genuine wiki”.

There’s a good browser extension called Indie Wiki Buddy that helps redirect you from Fandom to independent fan wikis, which in my experience are almost always better.

You’ll become a hyponymchondriac at this rate.

I clarified this a bit in a follow-up comment, but my first comment was simplifying for the sake of countering:

[it’s not in the public domain] because the actual human work that went into creating it was done by the owner of the AI Model and whatever they trained on.

Their claim that the copyright for AI-generated works belongs to the model creator and the authors of the training material – and is never in the public domain – is patent, easily disprovable nonsense.

Yes, I understand it’s more nuanced than what I said. No, it’s not nuanced in their favor. No, I’m not diving into that with a pathological liar (see their other comments) when it’s immaterial to my rebuttal of their bullshit claim. I guess you just didn’t read the claim I was addressing?

Oh, sorry, I said that totally wrong: I meant that I really appreciate your first comment and that it’s not worth your time to reply to their bad-faith follow-up comment.

The answer is that it’s messy and that I’m not qualified to say where the line is (nor, I think, is anyone yet). The generated parts are not copyrightable, but you can still have a valid copyright by bringing together things that aren’t individually copyrightable. For example, if I make a manga where Snow White fights Steamboat Willie, I’ve taken two public domain elements and used them to create a copyrightable work.

So it’s not like the usage of AI inherently makes a project uncopyrightable unless the entire thing or most of it was just spat out of a machine. Where’s the line on this? Nobody (definitely not me, but probably nobody) really knows.

As for courts ever finding out, how this affects trade secret policy… Dunno? I’m sure a Microsoft employee couldn’t release it publicly, because as you said, it’d probably violate an NDA. If there were some civil case, the source may come out during discovery and could maybe be analysed programmatically or by an expert. You would probably subpoena the employee(s) who wrote the software and ask them to testify. This is just spitballing, though, over something that’s probably inconsequential, because the end product is prooooobably still copyrightable.

This kind of reminds me of the blurry line we have in FOSS, where everyone retains the copyright to their individual work. But if push comes to shove, how much does there need to be for it to be copyrightable? Where does it stop being a boilerplate for loop and start being creative expression?

Just as a sanity check: the person you’re responding to is a serial troll and what I can only describe as intellectually dishonest at best or a pathological liar at worst. They make up whatever they want and will never concede that the fucking nonsense they just dreamed up five seconds ago based on nothing is wrong in the face of conclusive proof otherwise.

You shouldn’t waste your time responding to this cretin.

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You’re just making shit up. The US Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit has affirmed that AI-generated work is in the public domain. Put up or shut up.

Edit: Additionally, the US Copyright Office writes:

As the agency overseeing the copyright registration system, the [Copyright] Office has extensive experience in evaluating works submitted for registration that contain human authorship combined with uncopyrightable material, including material generated by or with the assistance of technology.

Seriously, I have way more sympathy for people who get tickets in places like NYC. More crowded, more chaotic, more rules. It happens.

By ticket 38, though, I’m at least 20 tickets past the point where I’ve decided I’m not competent enough and started just taking a mix of cycling and public transit.

This sounds like a fake website that Kitboga would make up for scambaiting.

A Data breach?

Good thing it’s pretty easy to break windows.

I didn’t know what a meth den smells like until I saw this picture of Kid Rock.

“Too bad [some shit I just made up with no empirical evidence].”

sitting in a wall-e chair chugging Alfredo sauce

This is an unfair and libelous depiction of my utopia where I sit in a Wall-E chair chugging Alfredo sauce with, I’ll thank you to remember, fettuccine noodles mixed in.