The first two are grifts and I have yet to see anyone say quantum computing is going to be a grift anywhere, so because of your other comment I’m going to assume you’re just someone who likes crypto and AI and are mad that people are pointing out how they are grifts with huge environmental and social problems
My theory on ethics is that it’s survival tools for hunter gatherer societies.
Eat meat, be strong. Good.
Fuck animal? Animal might bite, give you disease, and you are not making baby. Bad.
When you’re with the right people, yeah, it’s the best. Sounds like you haven’t found people you click with.
People right now are weaponizing isolation. They are using it to seem appealing. Why interact with someone at the check out counter when you can do a self check out? Don’t worry about people losing jobs over it. Why buy things from a store when you can stay home and buy from Amazon? Why go to a movie where you can chat with strangers about the movie after you leave, you can just pay to stream it? Why bother getting to know your neighbors, that might lead to organizing, ew. Why talk to friends when you have this convenient spy website? Why talk to people at all when you can talk to the environment destroying machine? And if you’re feeling lonely, buy something you’ll feel better
Chronically online people who already are isolating themselves will tell you socializing is bad and try to present it as a misanthropic rebellion, but ultimately that’s feeding into what works for the corporate overlords.
If they didn’t want any interaction, they wouldn’t comment nor post.
So what to do?
You go do things that are interest to you, then make friends based off of that interest. Weed out shitty people and keep the good ones. People are more multi dimensional than you might give them credit for.
Or if you really feel like being a hermit, at least go all in and don’t interact with people online. So a socialization purge and don’t do anything that’s involving other people. Go on a hike alone or, if you stay home, go for a week without watching anything with dialog or other people. Just nature videos without dialog. Make something or meditate, and see how long it is before you actually want to hear another person’s words. You might actually miss it.
I thought there was a study done or something
Elephants think humans are cute
I like the idea of doing both.
You missed people trying to strip people off voting rights recently? Or Jim Crow era voting laws? Have ya not read much history or something? Not pay attention to voting rights now?
If it’s useless, why do people have to die to get it, and why do people in power try to suppress it?
I’m out here taking people about Roko’s Basilisk as a prank
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Here’s a fairly well researched and entertaining video about ai and some of the downsides.
Long story short, in my opinion, there’s isn’t a good AI. The things it sets out to do, it does poorly, and there’s ethical, bodily, environmental, and mental concerns with it.
There’s a lot of anti-AI hate on this platform. Almost to the point of it being a religion.
There’s a lot of justified hate, outside of Lemmy as well. The irony of saying it’s like a religion when there’s people worshipping their AI out there is notable.
No. It’s just the latest way of giving instructions to a computer.
While that’s sort of true, it’s obfuscating what actually happens. You’re technically just giving instructions to a computer, but it’s not like a software program on your personal computer. You’re sending a message out to a very large computer to do a very complicated large program, while a lot of other people are doing so.
The “bad” or “evil” part of AI is mostly due to the large players (aka “Big AI”) spending literally over $1 trillion so far on data centers and hardware.
There’s more than that. There’s the ethical concerns of making pornography of people without their consent, especially minors. There’s art theft. There’s people losing jobs. There’s the environmental issues. There’s the mental issues. There’s the problems with people trying to get jobs. There’s the drop in reading comprehension. There’s the people being driven to kill or kill themselves over it. There’s people falling in love with their AI and avoiding other people for it. There’s the noise. The water usage. The electrical pull. The Ponzi scheme funding.
You’re trying to preemptively say that these complaints are only about the big AI, but these are inherent for all of them.
There’s so much demand for their services that they’re having to build their own—often dirty, fossil fuel—power plants just to power it all.
Source? People are already having to pay more for electricity. Tahoe is about to not have any electricity because of the AI center.
Also those sus dash marks.
the heat dissipation required 0.5 liters of water from the cooling pond next to the power plant, not potable/drinking water).
Ok, but where do you think that water was acquired to fill that pond? It’s from local sources. Closed loop systems aren’t actually great for the environment, either. You remember the water cycle? Where water evaporates, turns into clouds, turns into rain, then dries up and repeats itself? Well, there’s only a specific amount of water on the planet, and only some of it is usable by humans. Data centers and AI centers using closed loop systems take a huge chunk of water out of that water cycle. With global warming in the mix, we’re starting to run out. Oh, and data centers and AI centers don’t disclose how much water they are taking out of the local system, so we can only guess, but the best estimate is summed up as “a fuck load”.
However, it’s actually all the people and businesses using AI that uses up all that energy. The biggest, most power-hungry step is “inference” which is the point where the LLM tries to figure out what you just asked of it.
Saying “it doesn’t use power unless you use it” isn’t really an argument against it’s power usage. And saying it uses more power after it’s started is worse.
The important point here is that AI is actually being used.* There’s real demand for it!
That demand, though, isn’t profitable. That’s why companies have been upping their rates and the building of AI centers have been stalling.
The demand for AI services is so great that they can’t build data centers fast enough.
That’s not why people have been trying to build a lot of data centers. There’s a lot of speculative investing going on, and there’s a lot of people trying to get onto the ground floor. So these people are dumping a crapton of money into it, trying to get ahead of everyone else.
This isn’t coming from some bandwagon, or anti progress/tech sentiment. Ai is just bad.
Sooner? We see people driven to suicide, murder, loneliness or just getting things wrong with less dramatic.
Long term? The environmental effects are bleak. Especially if you live near one.
Edit: oh yeah and possibly losing your job
Everyone using AI will regret it sooner or later
Just to clarify op, it’s not just Lemmy that hates ai, most people do, and for very good reasons. Don’t get tricked, you can do a search on the Web for the small things with your hobby, you don’t need a robot misinforming you.
You should look up some old labor movement songs
Don’t twist it. My point was that there’s people who actively dislike this regime and are doing something about it. It’s too counter the idea that all Americans are for this regime. Your approval of how some people’s tactics is irrelevant, it’s still showing that the people aren’t a monolith.
Yeah, only if you ignore all the people fighting against it
Bro came back a week later to keep an argument going he started lololol got mad when I said I didn’t like apple, you wonder where the fanboys get the rep from lolol using this genxboomer ass meme like it’s a dig that’s hilarious
Where did you see that?