I’ve been told that this qualifies as an attempt to stop Israel’s genocide

We got to where we are because we’ve been choosing the lesser evil, for far longer than 20 years

If liberals hadn’t been so content with choosing evil, we’d have avoided the last 50 years of backsliding.

I know surefire improvements we can make to the way things are now better

Yea, me too.

I don’t trust anyone with the authority

Yea, me too.

Weren’t you being facetious?

If the world was ending, it wouldn’t be because we lacked morals but because we lacked action. I think we agree on what’s moral, we just disagree about how much of what action is needed.

Working to make the world you live in better even though you don’t know what the final outcome of that work may actually be?

You’re just more confident than I am that liberalism doesn’t end poorly

Openly support communism without thought about what the final outcome of that may actually be

Just keep working to make the world I live in better

They’re the same picture.

proactive

You don’t understand, their support of lesser fascism is necessary to avoid the greater fascism, so by opposing them you’re actually supporting the greater fascism

It’s not a rhetoric that was used before that much. Electing republicans was always a little bit correlated with stupidity but not like: Go full Trumpler/Hitler, full on conspiracy

You must not be old enough to remember the 2008 election, then. People were accusing Obama of being the literal antichrist, and was among the first to prominently feature conservative conspiracy theorists on national news (Don was calling in to talk shows to accuse Obama of being a Kenyan Muslim and demanding his birth certificate, then his long-form).

Maybe in hindsight it’s hard to make a comparisons, but every election since then has represented the same choice between ‘sane’ democrats and ‘crazy’ conservatives. You can only have so many of those before they start to feel like the norm.

It’s sad that people rather don’t vote, and accept the fact that the states drift towards an autocratic system, than just vote for the lesser evil (or engage themselves politically).

Maybe it’s sad, sure, but it’s far from unusual. In the US, average eligible voter turnout fluctuates between 50-65%. In 2020 it was 65.3% (the highest ever recorded), and in 2024 it was 63.5%, the second-highest. Eligible voters end up not voting for a bunch of reasons, but the biggest reason is usually because they (rightly) feel like the choice has little actual impact on their day-to-day life. Even if you’re relying on the ‘most important election of our lifetime’ motivation (the same rhetoric that’s been used for the last 5-6 elections at least), many of those people are white middle-lower-class adults - those people don’t believe they’d be the ones targeted by mass deportations or political imprisonment anyway. Granted, that’s a short-sided reason not to vote, but let’s not act surprised by low-income americans having a bit of an optimism bias (since they are consistently the largest pool of eligible voters).

You simply cannot expect every eligible voter to turnout for you if you aren’t giving them compelling reasons to do so. But even in relative terms, the 2024 election was still only 1.7% behind the highest-ever turnout for a presidential election in our lifetime - american voters certainly did turn out, and many who abstained from voting were engaged. The problem is that they no longer believe the democrats actually represent their interests, and so went shopping elsewhere or didn’t vote at all (or split their ticket). Blaming those voters without asking yourself why there were more of them this election is nothing more than political masturbation.

And just a reminder that the democratic party does actually have members in its caucus that have a higher than 60% approval rating nationwide, but for some reason they chose not to run those candidates

Democrats’ inability to address what voters were actively demanding is why not enough people turned out for them.

Even in political terms, snubbing the Students for Justice in Palestine at the convention and refusing to let them speak was possibly the worst campaign decision of the last decade.

Sure, but you don’t get to revolution without many smaller escalations

Libs harp on that word because it sounds rightly ridiculous to an american, but say ‘armed protest’ and suddenly it sounds a lot more realistic.

Hubris is thinking a few liberal voters in america could abate a global trend toward fascism without fundamentally changing anything about our broken capitalist system.

Start a revolution

Why do people keep smugly citing this as the third option when there are a million better options before outright rebellion?

As if any rights or liberties we’ve won as a working class have ever come from anything other than violent opposition and disruption.