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But the site I linked to above is selling this service and it’s telling me I can use the images in any way I want

Then the site is wrong to tell you that you can use the images in any way you want.

Or you are wrong for assuming you can intentionally violate copyright and trademark by using the AI tool to generate Micky mouse and then get all offended that “but the site told me I can use the pictures, it’s their fault”.

what happens when the output is extremely similar to a character I’ve never

Nobody knows yet. For the most part it hasn’t happened. Big services like DallE will assume all legal liability for you. Small services? It’s on you to make sure the image is clean.

The end result is that the copyright of everything not widely recognizable is practically meaningless if we accept this practice

You seem to have forgotten a small detail here.

This is already how it works. Every character has thousands and thousands of fan works, often supported by artists with donations and patreons. The status quo is that none of them get caught and sued until they get big enough, and that anyone who tries to sue these people are assholes abusing copyright law even they’re legally correct.

This is not a magical device that can “draw anything”,

Straw man?

Reading comprehension. This is an argument-by-comparion. It shows how your point is absurd and doesn’t work by comparing it against a magical machine that doesn’t yet exist. It shows how your idea of how copyright should work here is regressive, harmful, and dangerous by pointing out that you seem to believe that just because something could violate copyright that it should be prevented from existing, being used, or being sold.

This is a mundane device whose sole function is to try to copy patterns from its input set

You don’t own a copyright on a pattern or a brushstroke. You own copyright on works of art.

If you want to prove me wrong, make your own model without a single image of Micky Mouse or a tag with his name, then try to get it to draw him like I did before

Are you suggesting it will be impossible to do this? Because this will be quickly proven wrong and there will be a day and a description specific enough to produce Micky mouse from a machine that’s never seen it.

The mere fact that it will happen one day is enough. I don’t have to literally go invent it today.

There are many ways this could be done ethically

It’s already being done ethically.

Would it be transformative if I sold you a database of base64 encoded images? What about if they were encrypted

No.

Also no.

There is a long history of examples set by court cases on what does or doesn’t count as transformative. Law is very good at handling exceptions like this and it’s been handling them for decades.

An encoding is not transformative. It’s just the same information sent a different way. Same with encryption.

Hell, you can hire me to paint based on prompts you give me. That’s the exact same service an AI provides, no? I’m going to study copyrighted materials to get better at my service.

All perfectly legal and commonly done.

So you give me the prompt “Mickey Mouse” and I draw this. This is “custom art”. You think you can use that commercially?

No. Not for you and not with AI generated art either.

Copyright controls your ability to copy and distribute creative works. You can learn to draw Micky mouse, you can even draw Micky mouse, but anyone who tries to sell or distribute that copy can and probably will quickly get sued for it.

And if you realize that you can’t, why do you think I should be able to legally sell you this service?

If AI companies were predominantly advertising themselves as “we make your pictures of Micky mouse” you’d have a valid point.

But at this point you’re basically arguing that it should be impossible to sell a magical machine that can draw anything you ask from it because it could be asked to draw copyright images.

Courts will see that argument, realize it’s absurd, and shut it down.

Seems like a petty technicality to me.

They are selling access to the AI model which draws pictures. Not the original pictures, nor clones of those pictures. A machine to which you can input a prompt that is basically anything and get custom art back as a result.

Also there are companies like stability AI which is providing direct access to the model itself, and I’m sure you’re against them as well.

An AI trained on a single image would also probably be fine if it was somehow a generalist AI that didn’t overfit on that single image. The quantity really doesn’t matter.

The product is a service that writes code or draws pictures. It is literally the exact same as the input

Pictures and things that draw pictures aren’t the same thing.

The fact it’s a tool that makes art and completes with you has nothing to do with copyright. That would only apply if this was some convoluted scheme to make actual copies of works, which it isn’t. People just pirate for that. If I wanted to read this person’s books I’d go to pirate Bay, not chat GPT.

It’s not illegal for someone to read your books and start writing similar things. That’s not copyright theft, that’s a genre.

The internet where people make information free and for the benefits of the common good died a long time ago.

It’s very much alive and kicking.

All of the “silos” literally depend on it continuing to happen and exist only by nature of the fact that they’re still open and easily browsed by individuals. If Reddit turns off access to the average person, Reddit eventually disappears.

Notably, you can still get to Twitter though nitter.

You can still get to Reddit through various open source front ends.

You can still get to YouTube through newpipe.

You may not remember this, but there have been many attempts to silo the Internet. It always falls as the company that does so stagnates and users eventually abandon ship.

The few companies with the hundreds of millions of fuck-you money to train an AI will gain more control while also locking down access to their content.

And you want to give them the monetary incentive and make this future literally inevitable by locking data out of the hands of anyone who can’t pay.

this will be the end of the open internet. Expect login walls and subscriptions everywhere.

Rising interest rates are doing that, not AI.

The open Internet is based on a fundamental principal that people like you forget over and over.

Information should be free and plentiful, and making it free and plentiful benefits the common person. Data and scraping are essential parts of that common good.

The Internet will survive. The one you think exists - where you get to mooch and demand payment - never existed.

A basic fundamental of copyright law and fair use is if the result is transformative. People literally do stuff like make collages with copyright works and it’s fine in many cases.

Turning pictures into an AI model (and that’s being really generous in my phrasing as if the pictures have anything to do with the math) is just about one of the most transformative things you can do with a picture.

This is like copyright 101 and if you’re shocked you don’t understand what you’re talking about in regards to copyright.

Israel has been very plain about saying they did it in the vast majority of cases. The only major hospital incident I’m aware of that they have denied is the one that appears to have been from the Palestinians.

This article is literally citing the reason Israel gave as justification.

Israel also owns up to all of those. The original commenter is intentionally misleading by calling back to the one that was actually denied.

We didn’t bomb the hospital, Hamas did

We are here still, because to my knowledge no evidence of the “people in the parking lot” bombing being from Israel has come around and most traits of the explosion point to it being a Hamas rocket.

Even this article doesn’t say anything about evidence to the contrary coming forward.

Republicans like Israel and don’t (all) like Ukraine

No they pretty explicitly implied the world was run by Nazis.

I said that the West has the nazi problem pretty well under control. People with explicit That’s the ideology are very rare and very much taboo and very much considered bad people.

This guy comes out and says “no you have leaders who are Nazis, you don’t have the problem under control”

**Even today people with similar ethno-nationalist, settler-colonialist, and fascist ideology **

And don’t bitch about the use of the “similar” weasel word. A Nazi is a Nazi. Ethno nationalist fascism is Nazism by another name and this schmuck thinks the West is still lead by them.

We’re not talking about some nuanced historical take here, we’re talking about this guy trying to claim the world is run by Nazis.

Nobody in the west at any high level is running around saying that we should go exterminating all the Jews or the blue-eyed blond haired people are superior to everyone else.

Racist ass Nazi takes are incredibly unpopular and incredibly stigmatized in western culture. The facts of the United States rebuilt Japan and Germany and in the process used their existing leadership has absolutely nothing to do with that.

Actual card carrying Nazis helped build the post-war western “international rules based order.” Even today people with similar ethno-nationalist, settler-colonialist, and fascist ideology are at the highest levels of every western government,

You’re just unhinged and delusional at this point. No the world isn’t run by Nazis. If you think the world is run by Nazi’s, whatever information and whatever worldview you have is deeply and fundamentally flawed

The fuck part of my statement did you see me saying the Holocaust isn’t real?

The people we’re standing shoulder to shoulder with are Jews across the world calling for peace

Yeah, no. Some of them are maybe but there is a very definite and real undercurrent of hatred and desire to exterminate the Jews.

I’ve seen three actual real full blown antisemites in the wild in my life. Full blown bullshit about how Jews control the world and do magic and all sorts of conspiracy crap. All of them doing it in the name of Islam.

Western Nazis totally exist as well. But the West actually keeps them in check.

Jews will continue to live in a free Palestine

And pigs will fly from my ass. Hamas literally founded their group on the principal of getting rid of the Jews and everyone with more than two brain cells sees the writing on the wall.

It’s fucking hilarious seeing communities like this who in the past have been so gung-ho about shit like punching Nazis standing next to the people who want to annihilate the Jews.

You guys don’t stand for justice, you just like punching people.

Yeah they would say “stop that’s our job”

Vim absolutely chews through anything you throw at it. Lots of times we need data formated or lots of SQL queries and I’m the go to guy because I understand vim macros.

Especially if you have any form of RSI.

I wonder if it would be possible to make a user accessable way to expose similar power to the common user.

Those features aren’t enabled nor integrated. They’re added to Vim at its extensibility points.

And that has to be just about one of the pettiest to distinctions known to man.

It’s still built to write code. Yes text is code, but vim is not a text editor in general,. It’s made for programmers, nobody else is crazy enough to learn such obtuse syntax or want to have a developer with a scripting language built into it.

The features are in the editor. They are integrated with the editor. Yes, it’s through plugins, but they’re still part of the editor instead of part of some different program.

The word integrated literally just means you don’t go into some other program to run your build.

It’s an integrated environment for development.

It’s an IDE!

It has debuggers.

It has syntax highlighting

It has compiling.

Even if you have to install them as plugins, it’s designed to be doing all of those things.