Dawg why the fuck are you lecturing me about Orbán like that has anything to do with the Ukraine War we were originally talking about? Do you think I support Orbán? Are you stoned? I thought by orphans you meant the White House claiming Putin is stealing Ukrainian kids (literally evacuating children from a war zone) to indoctrinate them. Was really not clear, maybe my bad?

I am aware Hungary is fucked up, and I would be totally happy to listen to whatever details you have on the elite child rapists there. Seriously. But you’re turning this into some QAnon shit that won’t even deal with the problem.

The thing is USA, Japan, Belgium, the UK, and Ukraine (like the entire NATO side) are all child rape capitals of the world as well. Look up Marc Dutroux! If you want to get rid of corrupt politicians in your country, conspiracy theories about how defeating Russia (you can’t) will make them crumble to dust and solve all your problems are not helping. Don’t you see why Orbán and the far right get more support when their only opposition is people like you who are pro-war? Fix your fucking problems at home and stop blaming Russia for everything.

People like Orbán and Trump don’t even care about Russia they only use their politican instincts to realize the war is unpopular and they can grandstand about it. Neither one of them will actually help Russia.

You literally only use White House approved sources. I don’t approve of anything you are talking about because it is made up to justify the West supporting neonazis. This is a narrative you have no actual evidence for. All of your ideas come from the state department and from Kiev. They’re liars. They even told you they were winning the war moron.

That’s really not true brother. 😅 You have so much more to lose. Don’t say you weren’t warned. You begged for the Western financial class to enact more punitive measures that you just acknowledged are contributing to an energy and cost of living crisis in Europe. You can lose so much more than cheap heating in the winter. So much more.

Slava Ukraini. Oh no, I just jokingly repeated the words of fascists. 🤣

The Russian oligarchs actually really wanted to chill and trade titanium through Ukraine. None of this NATO think tank narrative makes sense.

Everyone has their secret ways, I guess. Yours just show more than others.

You can pretend to know what is going on, but I know all you have is mocking individual soldiers being maimed and killed. I am nothing like you. I do not even enjoy watching power go out for the Ukrainians. They have all been deceived. Anyways, say goodbye.

Are you afraid now of standing up for what you meant by your comment?

LOL I like how you skipped over the cause and effect of the energy prices: the sanctions and Nord Stream bombing. You just started venting your Orbán Derangement Syndome.

I won’t try to press you to use logic regarding how US energy companies benefit. You’re clearly too emotional to process it. European racists are the most pathetic.

Blackrock will take the world you intended for your children from you. Glad you learned to treat it as a positive thing.

I mean you were just for some reason denying the wording but not the intended meaning of your messages.

I know how you’re going to try to deny what I am about to show you, you’re going to dismiss it as Russian propaganda. You don’t want to hear shit about how we get sources now, either from press releases, “whistleblowers” (like Grayzone does), or leaked by soldiers themselves like the following video. Please take note of the source of the video. This is from a Ukrainian commanding officer’s phone. People you dislike reporting this does not magically make it “propaganda”. Zhorin posted this. https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/russia-appeals-to-intl-organizations-over-kupyansk-execution

Here are some of the hundreds of examples of Ukrainians posting “saboteurs” being publicly whipped like we live under fucking feudalism https://web.archive.org/web/20220320160425/https://twitter.com/Youblacksoul/status/1505309631542931459

All ignored by western media

https://ukraine.un.org/en/168060-conflict-related-civilian-casualties-ukraine

If you look at all of the UN reports on the Ukraine Donbas war they make it clear the civilian casualties are in Donbas. I guess you think the Russians are false flag cluster bombing Donbas concerts or something.

It’s almost like blindly trusting US propaganda post Iraq war is a fool’s errand. I mean it was before that too but shit man

Well I’m not trying to run ahead and throw out a bunch of shit before you elaborate on what you’re saying. I mean you told me to move on to arguing about the veracity of this footage but I think these discussions have no purpose unless we establish what premises we are working with and what the history of the conflict is.

A lot of civilians already died in the civil war in Ukraine 2014-2022 before Russia got involved. There is a lot more to this. I just doubt considering how you reply we will get to that but, these are still emails, and we can stick to one thread if you want lol.

Dude you don’t even know how to gish gallop properly. You’re just being annoying.

What would you define “many massacres” carried out with artillery as.

Actually I want to ramp this up. Give me one example of a massacre on Ukrainian soil committed by the Russians. If you want to use Bucha I have plenty of material about that which was written by a guy I know in Oregon. But I would prefer to give you yet another opportunity to show you have a single non US propaganda source.

Well I mean we did start off by talking about your claim the Russians are indiscriminately bombing civilians though! I would prefer to get your unsourced claim out of the way so we can see that yes, it is just parroting what the Ukrainian government says. But yes I will show you videos the Ukrainians themselves have posted of hurting civilians in a second. You do not get to flip around your claim and demand I prove a negative. That’s not how it works.

As an aside, I know significantly more about the Grayzone’s conflicts of interests than you LMAO. They are not infallible, all modern journalism is severely limited due to financial, and political constraints. I will source US financial news frequently because they say the quiet part louder than CNN and NBC et al

It’s called paraphrasing. It means literally the same thing. 🤣 You are fucking desperate.

Also, I am convinced you are just stupid at this point. Crimea not being in the dataset doesn’t refute a single thing I said. You’re completely incoherent in every comment.

You are contradicting yourself LOL, you say NATO has no bearing on the European economic situation while admitting in the next breath it has huge implications for energy prices due to trade with Russia. Europeans have been debating their quality of life drop, and your countrymen have been calling me blind drunk screaming about how they have no money and they can’t decide if they hate the Russians or you anti-Russian zealots more. You are simply unaffected by the actual damage because you are economically insulated and 100% of your political leanings are based on oversocialization. They have no connection to material conditions in Europe. Basically cope and go buy one of your state manufactured vodka seltzers you underwear drunk idiot.

You cannot be serious, this is a distinction without a difference. I can’t believe you’ve managed to find a way to fence sit between your own position and mine. Yes, to add to your inability to read, you seemingly intend to exhaust my energy by arguing about meaningless nonsense. You have the attitude of someone who does not value their time.

Your only “tactics” are thought cancelling cliches, creating a semantic difference where there is none, and again rebuking sources as “propaganda rags” you didn’t even attempt to argue with me pointing out Western sources have a conflict of interest when reporting on their own war.

I like how you primarily quoted yourself and chose to ignore all of the “content” you were actually presented with. I responded directly to your sources and claims, you leave me with pedantry and a refusal to examine what I posted. I doubt there is a good reason to continue this discussion but like I said, we are still unpacking the premises of what we are arguing over. I raised doubt about the basis of your claims, we are not going to just mindlessly run with you sourcing only one side of the conflict.

You are already retreating from your claims about Russians indiscriminately targeting civilians. I guess I caught you empty-handed.

A peace plan without ceding Donbas? That’s just a NATO warplan. Oh well I guess no more account for you. I didn’t even report you but good riddance.