Hey, independent.co.uk, this is too much truth. Tone it down.

Rumble it is

BLM, no sarcasm.

BLM, no sarcasm.

BLM, no sarcasm.

BLM, no sarcasm.

People’s safety is more important than people’s feelings.

stratistimes.com isn’t korean. The journalists used scare quotes, like the koreans are crazy, they’re not crazy. But I personally don’t trust samsung either, usa favours them too much. Something doesn’t smell right.

‘security’ concerns, in quotes… Like they’re crazy. They’re not.

🙊🙉🙈

Yes, that is the core issue, and the most important one. How will you archieve this if you don’t have free speech or bodily autonomy? A very broad definition of leftism is everything that helps plebs.

“You gave an example of people saying a thing. That doesn’t make it leftist or not.”

I gave you a quote from Norways FHI (equivalent to USA HHS), citing the rules of, “My body, my choice”, proving that the most leftist stance is to have FULL bodily autonomy without any vaccine cut-outs. Norway is to the left of USA, certainly regarding these rules.

There are no if’s or but’s about this, I don’t think you can get this any clearer than these words: “Vaccination is voluntary. All vaccination in Norway is voluntary. People who are recommended or ask for a vaccine must be given sufficient information about the advantages and disadvantages of vaccination to be able to make an informed choice. There must also be openness about uncertainty and possible lack of knowledge.”

It’s directly from their fhi.no official government webpage.

Those are my arguments that “My body, my choice” is as far left as you come.

I can add that we have a cut-out for this rule. The only way a doctor can over step the wishes of his patient is if the patient actively pursues actions that will result in intentionally self harm. And no, this does not include a person not taking vaccinations.

“its easy to think it might be leftist, but the intent behind it was absolutely far-right.”

I provided an example of a far-left, very articulate answer to refute this. If i were you, I would stop and reflect on this.

I cannot make you care, only you can do that.

I thought I would be nicer to you than I was to the previous guy I answered. I wrote; “Translate it and weep”. Here is the translation;

Vaccination is voluntary. All vaccination in Norway is voluntary. People who are recommended or ask for a vaccine must be given sufficient information about the advantages and disadvantages of vaccination to be able to make an informed choice. There must also be openness about uncertainty and possible lack of knowledge.

Here are the rules in Norway from our FHI.

https://www.fhi.no/va/vaksinasjonsveilederen-for-helsepersonell/vaksinasjon/lover-og-regler-ved-vaksinasjon/?term=#vaksinasjon-er-frivillig

Vaksinasjon er frivillig All vaksinasjon i Norge er frivillig. Personer som anbefales eller ber om vaksine må få tilstrekkelig informasjon om fordeler og ulemper ved vaksinering til å kunne ta et informert valg. Det skal også være åpenhet om usikkerhet og kunnskap som mangler.

Translate it and see for yourself.

If you are to the left of someone, and they are not informed, they will call you right-wing.

Here are the rules in Norway from our FHI. The same rules apply in other countries, just more wishy-washy worded…

https://www.fhi.no/va/vaksinasjonsveilederen-for-helsepersonell/vaksinasjon/lover-og-regler-ved-vaksinasjon/?term=#vaksinasjon-er-frivillig

Vaksinasjon er frivillig All vaksinasjon i Norge er frivillig. Personer som anbefales eller ber om vaksine må få tilstrekkelig informasjon om fordeler og ulemper ved vaksinering til å kunne ta et informert valg. Det skal også være åpenhet om usikkerhet og kunnskap som mangler.

Translate it and weep.

You can call me whatever you like. Here is a text about the differences between ethics and laws, taken from a dentist journal, but the same laws apply here.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/jopr.13493

In general, the courts have determined how ethical principles translate into the requirements for how healthcare providers obtain a patient’s consent for treatment. Consent from a legal perspective involves respecting the “bodily integrity of the individual.” This dimension emanates from the philosophy of personal autonomy, defined as “an individual’s capacity for self-determination or self-governance” or “the capacity to decide for oneself and pursue a course of action in one’s life.” The courts view the informed consent requirement for a healthcare provider as a requirement to disclose sufficient information for the patient to make a “controlled decision before undergoing irreversible treatment.”, A patient’s consent must be voluntary, meaning “no coercion or unfair persuasion and inducements” and can be withdrawn at any time.

There is no special cut-out for vaccination within the law. In this context a vaccine would be defined as “irreversible [medical] treatment”.

“Believe in science”, that’s anti-science. “My body, my choice” has always been in context of abortion, and viewed as left wing. Here it’s the exact same words, the exact same meaning in context of taking an experimental redefined definition of a vaccine. It’s in this setting that characters make or breaks. If you cannot uphold your values when they matter, you don’t have values, you have hobbies.

I would absolutely agree with you on your first paragraph.

But please answer this honestly, “my body, my choice” during covid was labeled “right-wing”, you agree?

Doing diplomacy with Putin to end Ukraine war was also labeled “right-wing” putin puppet talking points, no?

Both these are traditional left-wing values.

I think the down-votes illustrates my point exactly.

I’m pro expression of freedom, full bodily automony (my body, my choice), anti censorship, reign in corporate power, higher top marginal tax, ending foreign wars (inc Ukraine), diplomacy with every government (inc the ones labeled terrorists. Remember; Nelson Mandela was also labeled a terrorist), tax included high education, tax included healthcare, more money to public transport.

Well thats some of it, and most of the first points are traditional left-wing issues, but in todays society, you get “right-wing” label immediately.