It’s important we do it that way for our 🌟brand identity🌟.

https://sebastiancarlos.com/how-i-quit-my-programmer-job-to-become-a-chicken-b733c20680b1

Looking at this guys other posts it could just be some bizarre attempt at absurdism?

(Wow, 14 posts in 2 hours on Lemmy… The old wisdom that the best way to start a discussion is to loudly complain about something rings true :P)

Cargo is doing too many things at once. It’s a build system but also a package manager but also manages dependencies? Idk what to even call it.

It’s still a build system; most (good) build systems also manage downloading and resolving dependencies. Having them all as part of the same tool makes everything slot together nicely.

Syntax is very confusing for no reason.

It’s not no reason; dealing with ownership is a complicated problem. It’s just that most languages tend to hide it and let the programmer tangle themselves in knots.

You keep talking about it being obvious what the code does but… Using :: over . helps clarify, at the call site, that you are using a “static” function rather than having to make the programmer look up the definition of the lhs.

Js is way more readable.

Pop quiz: Is this a copy or a reference?

let a = b;

You can just look at it and immediately know what the code is doing even if you’ve never coded before.

You can’t really… The JSON map object syntax isn’t actually intuitive to non-programmers. I’d argue that the rust version is more intuitive, since they can probably make a good guess based on the word “insert”.

Multiple string types like &str, String, str, instead of just one “str” function

These are distinct types with distinct meanings. JS and TS sacrifice some performance to make them seem like the same type, which may or may not be justified in your project.

i32 i64 i8 f8 f16 f32 instead of a single unified “number” type like in typescript.

JavaScript has three number types, ints, floats and BigInts. The former two are both called “number”.

Even in C you can just write “int” and be done with it so it’s not really a “low level” issue.

No you can’t. int is different sizes on different platforms. (EDIT: I was thinking about long. If you need more than 32 bits (which you do to store a pointer), that’s where the problem lies)

yet you literally can’t write code without [tokio].

I’ve never actually used Tokio. :D

Why is it so bloated?

Are you compiling at the same optimisation level, stripping debug info and statically linking libcurl in both cases?

Another major issue I’ve encountered is libraries in Rust, or lack thereof.

This is a big problem, I agree. Though to be fair, I’ve also encountered it with both NPM and PIP. Perhaps worse so there, because the compiler isn’t backwards compatible.

They’re invulnerable to memory issues unless you write infinite while loop and suitable for 99% of applications.

No they aren’t~ It’s easy to write code that hitches every few seconds (which kills games). And you also overlook the fact that a garbage collector is, quite frankly, a miracle of optimising compilers. I remember back in university being warned to remove the “next” pointer of graph nodes because otherwise memory would leak.

Then use C or C++ if you really need performance. Both of them are way better designed than Rust.

I develop professionally in C and C++. No they aren’t. At all. C and C++ are so loaded with footguns it’s a surprise people can get anything done in them without triggering UB.

Also, any program you write should be extensively tested before release

True. But nobody does that. And even if they did… Why not use a language that makes testing easier and faster?

you’d catch those memory errors if you aren’t being lazy

Not in any sufficiently large codebase.

that’s enough for the entire programming space to rank it year after year the greatest language

If you find that everyone in the world except you seems to be involved in some elaborate conspiracy, please check your reasoning.

And the thing is, that’s fine, the issue I have is people lying and saying Rust is a drop in replacement for js

Ehh… I don’t think it is. I think people interested in stepping up their programming game should give it a go, but branding it as a “noob friendly” programming language is going to put people off programming.

Typescript is therefore better at making things quick

Thing is, these “quick” programs tend to spiral out into huge megaliths of software that span several servers and support millions of users. And then the only person who knows what everything does gets hit by a bus, and so you have to figure out what thousands of lines of Typescript, PHP and Python code does.

Python, JS and php are good for firing out quick solutions, but once you get to the point where maintenance starts becoming more important than new features, it falls off hard. There just isn’t enough structure in the language to make it easy to figure out what code is doing.

I’m about to just give up and move on

Honestly, I bounced off of Rust the first time I tried it as well. I got frustrated about code not working, and just… Stopped using it. I then tried it again a few years later and everything finally “clicked”. Perhaps it’s the same with you? Give it a break for a bit, but don’t write it off yet. Come back to it later to give it another go.

Rust isn’t an easy language to wrap your head around if you aren’t familiar with the problems it’s trying to solve, but it’s not trying to be. Think of it as the drill sergeant that makes you stand up straight and become a better programmer.

Counterpoint: If you’re working from home it might be the only people contact you get for days.

Supposedly talking to people and touching grass is healthy.

For anyone who hasn’t seen it before, Tauri is basically Electron, but it doesn’t ship a full chromium browser with each application.

Basically, I hope it replaces all Electron apps. :P

“Did you run the formatter on this?”

Bonus points if it’s python code and nowhere in the docs does it say which of the many formatters to use.

People playing Rust code while they sleep so they can learn it through osmosis.

There’s a package called molly-guard which will check to see if you are connected via ssh when you try to shut it down. If you are, it will ask you for the hostname of the system to make sure you’re shutting down the right one.

Very usefull program to just throw onto servers.

Was before my time, but iirc C and other (then) high level languages were supposedly able to put programmers out of jobs.

One thing I’ve noticed with Rust is that if you find yourself fighting with the borrow checker, that’s a sign that your codebase isn’t well structured.

So I’m curious; what problem have you been trying to solve where the borrow checker has been this much of an obstacle? There might be a cleaner design for it.

Whitespace isn’t semantically important. Ticket closed.

Okay, this nerd sniped me super hard. Sure you can spend it on a big massive project like a mansion or whatever, but you aren’t going to be able to have it finished (and thus paid for) in a month.

Not too mention if you do want to drop that much money at one, there’ll be many checks in place. Your bank will block your account for “suspicious activity”. The person who you are paying will probably want to run a background check or just refuse to take payment up front.

You’d have to justify where you got that money from as well, most likely, and saying a “genie” probably would get you some strange looks and perhaps arrested.

I legit don’t know how you’d actually get rid of that much money in a month.

I used to think this way, then it was pointed out to me that, without timezones, we’d be in a situation where Saturday starts mid-workday in some places.

If you’re serious about getting help from the community, open source the game and/or provide concrete questions on what code you want to improve.

Honestly, as a Rust Zealot, I’m much more excited about Zig as a C killer than Rust.

American football fields.

Yeah, I read this meme and it was like… Have you met gamers?

The amount of patches that apparently ruin the game or Devs refusing to fix “simple” bugs is astounding.

Whoa, you can’t trust people with that code. You gotta put in a few rootkits and drm to stop filthy pirates and cheats.

Code Ninja Rockstar Wizard.

Don’t get yourself an alpha male, get yourself a 1.0.4-ubuntu3 male.