I’d actually argue Python stops people learning how to solve problems.

I love teaching juniors and have done so for 10 years but I’ve noticed in the last 4-5 years since Python became the popular choice at universities Graduates aren’t learning anything about Static Types, Memory Management, Object Oriented Programming, Data Encapsulation, Composition, Service Oriented Architecture, etc…

I used to expect most graduates to have a mixed grounding in those concepts and would find excuses for them to work on a small UI projects. I would do this as it gets them used to solving a small problem and UI’s give instant feedback. As Python became dominate university teaching language the graduates aren’t spending their time learning Typescript, Angular, HTML, etc… but instead getting overwhelmed by the concept of types.

Those concepts I want them to learn were created to help make solving problems easier and each has their strengths and weaknesses but most graduates are coming through only knowing how to lay out a small amount of procedural logic using Python and really struggling to move beyond that.

It was a mixture of factors.

Data was to be dumped into a S3 bucket (minio), this created an event and anouther team had built an orchestrator which would do a couple of things but eventually supply an endpoint a reference to a plain/txt file for analysis.

For the Java devs they had to [modify the example camel docs.](https://camel.apache.org/manual/rest-dsl.html) and use the built in jackson library to convert the incoming object to a class. This used the default AWS S3 api to create a stream handle which fed into the OpenNLP docs. .

The Python project first hit a wall in setting up Flask. They followed the instructions and it didn’t work from setup tools. The Java team had just created a new maven project from the Intelij but the same approach didn’t work for the Python team using pycharm. It lost them a couple days, I helped them overcome it.

Then they hit a wall with Boto3, the team expected to stream data but Boto3 only supports downloading, there was also a complexity issue the AWS SDK in Java waa about 20 lines to setup and a single line to call, it was about 50 lines in Python. On the positive side I got to explain what all the config meant in S3.

This caused the team anouther few days of delay because the team knew I used a 350MiB Samsung TV guide to test the robustness and had to go learn about Docker volume mounting and they thought they needed a stateful kubernetes service and I had to explain why that was wrong.

Basically Python threw up a lot of additional complexity and the docs weren’t as helpful as they could have been.

If you have the freedom try Typescript.

The tsx files are almost identical to jsx except for the need to define the field types your ingesting.

While thats a little extra work, it allows Visual Studio Code to perform deeper analysis and provide much more helpful contextual hints.

I grew to love JSX and tried TSX out of interest and you couldn’t convince to go back to pure JS

You do, but considering the scales they process data I suspect Google would be better building Go tooling (or whatever the dominate internal language is).

A few years back I was trying to teach some graduates the importance of looking at a programming language ecosystem and selecting it based on that.

One of my comparison projects was Apache OpenNLP/Camel vs Flask/Spacy.

Spacy is the go to for NLP, I expected it to be either quicker to develop, easier to use, better results or just less resources.

I assigned Grads with Java experience Spacy and Python experience OpenNLP.

The OpenNLP guys were done first, they raved about being able to stream data into the model and how much simplier it made life.

When compared with the same corpus (Books, Team emails, corporate sharepoint, dev docs, etc…) OpenNLP would complete on 4GiB of RAM in less than a second on 0.5vCPU. Spacy needed 12GiB and was taking ~2 seconds with 2vCPU. They identified the same results…

Me and a few others ended up spending a day reading the python and trying to optimise it, clearly the juniors had done something daft, they had not.

It rather undermined my point.

My expectation is whatever the solution it needs to dockerise and be really easy to deploy via docker compose or Kubernetes so people can quickly and easily set up their own.

The front end is effectively static files so I would probably choose Apache or Express (whichever gives me a smaller docker image)…

For the backend I would choose Java for Spring Boot. An Alpine image with OpenJDK and the app is tiny. Spring has a library for every kind of interface making them trivial to implement but the main reason is hibernate.

Hibernate (now Spring Data) was the first library for being able to switch out databases without having to change code (its all config). A lot of mastodon instances struggle with the resource requirements of elastic search so letting small instances use something like postgres would seem ideal.

I have noticed Go/Rust still expect you to write or manage a lot of stuff Spring gives away for free. Python is ok if your backend is really tiny but there is a lot of boilerplate in how Python libraries work so complex projects get hard to manage and I assume interacting with the fediverse will add complexity.

Java’s niche is middleware and ‘big data’, so choosing it for a Lemmy drop in replacement an excellent choice.

Programming goes through various fads where a particular language is everyones favourite for a while (see the plethora of this is X tool … rewritten in Rust!).

You’ve had Scala, Node.JS, Go, Python and now Rust try to supplant Java in its middleware role. Each one has tried to highlight reasons why Java is bad to justify the switch.

I believe this post would be better if it was rewritten in Rust it would allow more efficent. memory usage compared to; the dynamically typed English language which doesn’t have the borrower checker. while allows you to detect when resources are no longer used unlike English’s poorly performing ‘grammar checking’ tools

But seriously there has to be content to engage with and people who respond to the content. I’ve noticed this community has someone posting really high quality updates but the community appears to be that person.

Posting blogs, or asking questions, etc… would be a good way to engage.

The team/organisations knowledge is a huge factor but its easy to fall into a trap where no matter what the problem is the solution is X language.

If I have an organisation that knows C# and we need to build a Web Application. I would suggest we need to learn Node.js and Typescript and not invest in a solution that turns C# into web pages.

Technical Leads are not rational beings and lots of software is developed from an emotional stand point.

Engineering is trade offs, every technical decision you make has a pro/con.

What you should do is write out the core requirements/constraints.Then you weigh the choices to select the option that best meets it.

What actually happens is someone really likes X framework, Y programming language or Z methodology and so decides the solution and then looks for reasons to justify it.

Currently the obvious tell is if they pitch Rust. I am not saying Rust is bad, but you’ll notice they will extoll the memory safety or performance and forget about the actual requirements of the project.

I learnt the term Tankie from Lemmy.

It comes from the 1950’s when a section of the ‘left’ who believed the Soviet Union was inherently good found themselves defending the Soviet invasion and forced annexation of Hungary. The soviets lead the invasion with Tanks, hence ‘Tankie’.

This support happened due to the simplistic belief that communism was inherently good, capitalism was bad and so the actions of a Communist country (like the Soviet Union) could never be bad if taken against a capitalist country is inherently good.

With the effective collapse of communist countries ‘tankies’ has switched to the people on the left that view western society as evil and any country which attempts to destroy or subvert western countries.

This typically manifests in a ‘tankie’ defending any action/supporting any view taken by China, Iran, Russia or North Korea and typically and typically amplifying anti USA rhetoric.

For example a Tankie will argue the Russian invasion and attempted genocide of Ukraine is justified and the USA is ‘evil’ for helping Ukraine defend itself.