It should probably need to be a public grassroots movement. The public would need to be so outraged about the lack of change that democratically elected officials couldn’t ignore the needs of the public if they want to be taken seriously. Public strikes and protests can work. The media and public need to keep speaking out about this issue. Citizens movements and effective messaging is possible, even if you don’t have the corporate world to back you. And honestly most rich people that are not directly involved in healthcare shouldn’t really care. Like whats the benefit for you as someone wealthy to stop public healthcare if you yourself are not invested? You will still be able to purchase additional insurance if public insurance would ever become reality. You would still be able to pay for special treatments. I don’t see them fighting against this like slave-owners fighting against the abolishment of slavery.

What I didn’t know… Is public healthcare actually made illegal by the supreme court? I’m not too deep into US law and such as I don’t personally live there. What are your thoughts?

The man isn’t the only one in the company and the system responsible. He steers the company at large, yes but every hand involved, be it the government, president, ceo to individual worker denying claims is technically at fault. I do not think we should celebrate murder. I do not celebrate Brian Thomson, neither do I celebrate Luigi Magione. I hope he gets his fair sentence.

Seems like the comment writes itself

Rule utilitarianism states that “an action is right as it conforms to a rule that leads to the greatest good”. Murder as a general is right. The reason is that this murder is just a short-term thing that doesn’t undo all the deaths that have happened. The general abidance to rule of law without self-justice is worth way more than any single person dying in nearly all cases.

In the categorical imperativ Kant argues that you should “Act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law.” If it became a universal law that you could kill anyone you deemed evil this would end in a worse result for everybody. Thus it cannot be wanted.

The family and friends around him mourn and the new CEO seems like he is not about to roll over and accept every health insurance claim. The death is dividing citizens which believe he is a hero while others believe he is a murderer. The responsibility off of all those unneeded deaths are claimed by not only the CEO but also by legislators who didn’t account for universal healthcare. It is on the sitting government and parties for not supporting change. It is on the employer partly for not buying a higher premium package that includes more things or choosing a different company with a smaller denial rate. It is on the individual employee inside UH denying claims. It is on upper management like Brian Thompson and the people around him who are at fault for making this worse. And then there’s the stakeholders that don’t press on more ethical practices. Then its also on Americans voting against parties that wish to change the healthcare system in a beneficial way for everybody.

As the head of a company Brian Thompson also had the responsibility to steer it in an ethical way which it seems he did not do. His death has sparked public debate which is a good thing. This does not necessarily mean choosing a murder was the right way of doing things that optimizes utility for everybody.

I believe this is just not true. The US is one country. First-Past-The-Post system sucks but systematic change can happen. Its just… you guys elected Trump. I do not think the majority of Americans wants change bad enough. There is also no defeating the system through these actions. It would take a whole as insurrection, not one murder and I doubt anything good would come of it for the average American.

Im European so I really sympathize with the struggle for a decent healthcare system for you guys. I just don’t think this is the right way.

Yet again claiming moral righteousness while promoting murder. Positive change will come through democratic and legislative change. Violence leads to chaos and disturbance. When people like you come to power they use everything to undermine and disrupt critics. How can you label a person a traitor simply for disagreeing with violence? Every single country that became communist has just created a new elite and ruling class. Don’t pretend you’re the good one.

Elect representatives and use non-violent acts to shape public perception so the law is changed. If it is legal and he isn’t actively like murdering/torturing people I don’t think you can really argue he should be imprisoned. Just my take. Also, there are no “good people” and “bad people”. Its not black and white.

The company and system at large remains the same

So you can applaud that this topic has come to focus of the public without celebrating a murder right?

Actively killing someone =/= someone dying by an avoidable cause of death

The legal system isn’t created by the rich. Sure they can afford lawyers and have a higher influence in politics. The country is still a democracy but the people have to vote in their best interest to get better healthcare. Systematic change is needed, so the root cause. You could say by killing this guy all you’re doing is trying to treat a symptom of a broken system, even tho I would say his death doesn’t even fully do that. Its just one more death. An avoidable and unnecessary death. I don’t claim his corporate policies but murder like this has no place in a democracy with rule of law to change things. If a CEO started looking out for the best health of the customer it would be against the interest of the shareholder as it would make the company less profitable. A systematic change like unified public healthcare is needed. No private entities. No healthcare shouldn’t be tied to work.

You can’t claim moral superiority while promoting murder.

This is not about defending billionaires, this is about condemning murder as a matter of principle!

Most humans and human work are inherently replaceable. Even great minds that have novel ideas. At some point someone else will come up with the same idea. Even US Presidents are. On a systematic level everyone is. I just wanted to highlight that the CEO, while head of operations of a company, is only lended this power and not really in charge. I think humans (not on a personal level) are inherently replaceable sadly but I don’t think any system changes this

Seems like its the other way around on here. Honestly, the insurance system should just change to universal health care and if wealthy people aren’t content they could just buy an extra insurance on top or pay themselves while still contributing to public health. The system is at fault, not a replaceable CEO. Because while he might be replaceable for the company, he sure still had a family, friends and nothing will change now

What, the gear or the snowflake? I mean I know they are trolling but how do they make a connection to insects with that? That insects die in winter from cold temperatures?

That’s actually a cool thing. Never knew this existed. My comment was definitely a bit salty looking back. It’s just I didn’t find any humor in the post and found this type of post to appear often. Good to know tho, I’ll look into it since I’m curious what other type of comments they ban. Still bigotry is a weird claim, since they can’t seem to tolerate my opinion. Although that brings up the whole tolerating intolerance topic. I don’t think I was being intolerant personally. I just didn’t find the satire in the meme.

I agree with you and think if an instance communicates clearly what they are and what they want then I have no problem.

BTW how do you no the reason why I’m supposedly banned when I don’t even know that.

I mean I feel like many or even most memes there are fine, just those few in between are annoying to me. I’m over it but I was still kinda annoyed initially

Its just that ml mentions itself being a general lemmy instance. Their description on join-lemmy.org is “A community of privacy and FOSS enthusiasts, run by Lemmy’s developers”. I’m a FOSS and privacy enthusiast who likes Lemmy. I just happen to not like communism agenda pushed when I scroll through some memes. I definitely wouldn’t say I’m some uncivil person. Sucks for me that ml is the second largest instance and they have the biggest memes community.

You have me agreeing with you on that one!

Wait I checked and now im just banned from !memes@lemmy.ml but not from lemmy.ml as a whole. My comment wasn’t low effort tho. I was just mentioning how I dislike communist violent revolution fantasy getting posted over and over as “memes” when they aren’t ironic or satirical.