Am I the only one around here who is both scandalized by the way Israel is treating Palestinians and the way Hamas committed an atrocious antisemitic terrorist attack?
And this does not even get into the part where Israel itself is an antisemitic abomination:
-Israel’s initial proposal/ conception was not out of some concern for the Jews but for antisemites to throw the Jewish population in a place where they don’t have to see them
-Deliberately erasing the existence of Jews that lived in Palestine before their occupation in their rhetoric
-During wwii Israel turned back Jews that had no settler inclination/ potential back to the German concentration camps
-Committing atrocities while wearing the Star of David is designed to draw hatred to Jews as their scapegoat. It is not ‘the only safe place for Jews’, it is a perpetual warground that uses Jews as their human meatshields.
-Their massive PR/ rainbowwashing/ anti-BDS laws is probably also designed to be easily misconstructed as the ‘Jews shadow-control the world’ antisemitic trope
I am completely OK with Palestinian resistance to Israel’s oppression. I think Palestinian people have a right to resist Israel’s colonization. However, you will not make me believe that Hamas is an emancipation force which is fighting for freedom. It is an antisimetistic Islamist group who massacred people on October 7 in the most gruesome way, specifically because they were Jews.
I know you’re angry about injustice and indifference to injustice, and I am too, but I think it would be effective to take a less aggressive stance against people who are obviously blackout drunk on the Kool-Aid. It’s not productive to scare them off.
I understand your opinion, but in this case, where Israeli propaganda is so ubiquitous and supplants the truth for millions of people, anyone wanting to learn history or current events (especially as it relates to international law) should be introduced to facts and reality instead of scared away with a bruised ego. I think that’s a better way to enable truth and justice than tribalistic circle jerks.
That way if they are interested in learning the truth then we make it easier for them. If they’re not then there’s nothing we can do but we shouldn’t scare them off, that would be a disservice to the truth, especially when the mainstream framing of this situation is pro-Israel vs. pro-Palestine when the reality is pro-Israel vs pro-human-rights-and-international-law.
I am well versed in oppression and uprising history, thank you. I still believe that Hamas is not every Palestinian, that not every Palestinian is Hamas and that the October 7 massacre was antisemitic at its core.
I’m on the side of the civilians, I don’t care what their ethnicity is.
The October attack happened last October, at the behest of a leadership that has not held an election since before half its subjects had even been born.
The genocide is ongoing, and is at the behest of a recently elected government supported by its democratic allies, so that’s the one where speaking out against it might help to stop it.
In other news, trying to escape from the concentration camp you’ve been locked in since birth isn’t antisemitic.
Am I the only one around here who is both scandalized by the way Israel is treating Palestinians and the way Hamas committed an atrocious antisemitic terrorist attack?
What part of “concentration camp” do you not understand?
What part of “the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, including armed struggle” do you not understand?
What part of “As an Occupier, Israel Has No Right to ‘Self-Defense’” do you not understand?
And this does not even get into the part where Israel itself is an antisemitic abomination:
-Israel’s initial proposal/ conception was not out of some concern for the Jews but for antisemites to throw the Jewish population in a place where they don’t have to see them
-Deliberately erasing the existence of Jews that lived in Palestine before their occupation in their rhetoric
-During wwii Israel turned back Jews that had no settler inclination/ potential back to the German concentration camps
-Committing atrocities while wearing the Star of David is designed to draw hatred to Jews as their scapegoat. It is not ‘the only safe place for Jews’, it is a perpetual warground that uses Jews as their human meatshields.
-Their massive PR/ rainbowwashing/ anti-BDS laws is probably also designed to be easily misconstructed as the ‘Jews shadow-control the world’ antisemitic trope
I am completely OK with Palestinian resistance to Israel’s oppression. I think Palestinian people have a right to resist Israel’s colonization. However, you will not make me believe that Hamas is an emancipation force which is fighting for freedom. It is an antisimetistic Islamist group who massacred people on October 7 in the most gruesome way, specifically because they were Jews.
I know you’re angry about injustice and indifference to injustice, and I am too, but I think it would be effective to take a less aggressive stance against people who are obviously blackout drunk on the Kool-Aid. It’s not productive to scare them off.
Bullshit, that was a great response
I understand your opinion, but in this case, where Israeli propaganda is so ubiquitous and supplants the truth for millions of people, anyone wanting to learn history or current events (especially as it relates to international law) should be introduced to facts and reality instead of scared away with a bruised ego. I think that’s a better way to enable truth and justice than tribalistic circle jerks.
Stop being contrarian and write a better response then
Sure:
"Actually, Israel has, through policy and violence, turned Gaza into an open air prison and the UN has legally affirmed the right of the oppressed to fight for freedom by any means necessary.
Israel’s claim of self-defense is not valid under international law, since they are attacking an area they occupy militarily.
If you would like to get a more accurate picture of the situation, here are some links to get started:
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2019/02/no-justification-israel-shoot-protesters-live-ammunition
https://www.mintpressnews.com/pro-israel-trolls-mobbing-twitter-community-notes/286099/
https://www.btselem.org/administrative_detention
https://jacobin.com/2023/11/west-bank-israeli-settlers-palestinian-olive-trees-violence-occupation/
https://socialistproject.ca/2021/07/israel-hasbara-belly-up-global-protest/
https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/10/1129942
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/12/business/harvard-doxxing-truck-israel-hamas-statement/index.html
https://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/pdf/ProtectiveEdge.pdf
https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20211110-how-israel-uses-facial-recognition-technology-to-monitor-west-bank-palestinians
https://www.972mag.com/second-nakba-government-gaza/
https://www.whoprofits.org/
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2024/feb/04/cnn-staff-pro-israel-bias
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That way if they are interested in learning the truth then we make it easier for them. If they’re not then there’s nothing we can do but we shouldn’t scare them off, that would be a disservice to the truth, especially when the mainstream framing of this situation is pro-Israel vs. pro-Palestine when the reality is pro-Israel vs pro-human-rights-and-international-law.
That may be.
Not very constructive either to question people’s drinking habits for the sake of winning an argument. Whatever, you have a good one
No, unfortunately you’re not. I’d love to get your opinion on something though:
Are slave revolts justified?
Was the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising wrong?
Thanks in advance.
I am well versed in oppression and uprising history, thank you. I still believe that Hamas is not every Palestinian, that not every Palestinian is Hamas and that the October 7 massacre was antisemitic at its core.
“Hey 18 year olds in a 70 year old concentration camp, choose better leaders.”
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So what would your answers be then?
I’m on the side of the civilians, I don’t care what their ethnicity is.
The October attack happened last October, at the behest of a leadership that has not held an election since before half its subjects had even been born.
The genocide is ongoing, and is at the behest of a recently elected government supported by its democratic allies, so that’s the one where speaking out against it might help to stop it.
All occupiers are legitimate targets