If Sweden had found Russia at fault, you’d think they would be shouting it from the rooftops.
Why do you think they would do that?
Because rooftop shouting is fun!!
The question of jurisdiction was more complicated than where the crime had been committed.
So… The US did it.
Ukraine actually did it, but there’s no chance they’d do that without the US giving the go-ahead.
No, it was definitely straight up the US. Ignore any bullshit about yachts and Ukrainian divers.
Here is the USS Kearsage - one of the only ships in the world with a moon pool that would allow divers to operate at the pipeline’s depth - leaving after “NATO exercises” in the area of the pipeline five days before it exploded
Here is a USN Boeing P-8A Anti-Submarine plane - one of the only planes in the world that can generate a radio pulse capable of reaching to the depth of the pipeline - flying along the length of the pipeline almost exactly 24 hours before it exploded
Here is President of the United States Joseph Robinette Biden, stating that the Nord Stream 2 project - which competes with US LNG sales to Europe - will not be allowed to continue; just out of frame is Chancellor of Germany Olaf Scholz, who offers no form of contradiction or rebuttal
I mean, that US basically owns germany since WW2… has a basis with privileges like an embassy for near east espionage in g… has intelligence programs where g would like to be a closer partner…
Not disputing you but very interested in reading more and sources - I always was very skeptical the volunteer Ukrainian saboteurs angle
The author of this article has a very strong track-record, so I choose to trust it. Though it does rely on anonymous sources. https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream
Thanks for linking, but while there’s smoke and circumstance, it’s not a fire imo. Anonymous source, not sources.
And Hersh seems to have fallen from the tightrope of critical analysis and skepticism, into acceptance of conspiratorial narratives from shaky actors.
His reporting has always relied on anonymous sources, and has always panned out in the long run. Nothing’s changed, we’re just not far enough removed from the war in Syria for the propaganda to lose control of the narrative in the west.
In seeking to decouple from state propaganda, it is important to critically examine alternative sources, lest you be duped into becoming a state mouthpiece.
From what I have heard it is actually really hard to do, and only a few countries have the capabilities and equipment.
lol no. You’ve made the classic blunder of believing a propaganda narrative.
The propaganda says the Russians did it (which is ridiculous, it’s their own pipeline, and they could just shut it down on their end if they wanted to). Either way, there’s no way the US didn’t at least consent to it, and yeah, most likely was more directly involved in it.
Propaganda says both: first that Russia did it, then that Ukraine did it. The former is insulting stupid and the second is more subtle but still makes no logistical sense, as Ukraine lacks the specialized equipment and personnel required. The “Ukraine did it” narrative is one that’s still safer for the NATO bloc group that certainly did it, as even if they acknowledge it as true (which they don’t need to and have avoided doing), it’s easy to brush under the rug as Good Slava Ukraini Resistance.
This is why these countries doing investigations are mum. They know neither narrative is true.
Lack of any reaction from Germany after the Ukraine version was announced is very telling. You would think they would at least consider to stop gutting their own country to help a country that supposedly did such thing, but nothing happened at all.
Right? Nothing from their political class.
wait why are we blowing up fkn pipelines now exactly?
The war hawks answer would be so that we can economically separate russia-germany so that germany is more willing to go against russia. If Germany is dependent on gas from Russia they are less willing to risk their relationship.
At the time, Germany was on the fence about sanctions because they were getting gas via the Nordstream from Russia and didn’t want to endanger that. Sudden, completely unexpected lack of gas from Russia = no impediment to backing sanctions. And that’s how it turned out.
German industry was seen as competition by the US, and US didn’t like Germany becoming economically tied with Russia.
Seymour Hersh stays winning.
Euro politicians are such cucks.
For those OOTL:
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Sweden Closes Investigation of Pipeline Blasts, but Stays Silent on Cause
Because it’s Cthulhu that did it.
Which in turn was unleashed by BP. (They’re sorry, tho)
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Read theory!
Why is is so hard to believe that the US blew up the pipeline? They have the capability, the motivation, and they will face absolutely no consequences from doing it. Like how is this even a question?
Believing that means having to accept that the whole western narrative in utter bullshit. NATO isn’t an alliance of nations that protect each other, it’s a protection racket that US runs to subjugate Europe.
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Yeah let’s not reflect or even think about the fact that Germanys economy has possibly been torpedoed with the go-ahead from, or directly by, its biggest ally.
“It may be dangerous to be America’s enemy, but to be America’s friend is fatal.”
― Henry Kissinger
I knew it! Aliens!
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Man I almost want to go back to reddit and smack every stupid user who exclaimed it was Russia the moment it happened with insane levels of an alibi.
“uM AKshUlLy, THeY blEw iT uP So tHeRd be OnLy oNe PiPElInE fOr eURoPe”
Like the obedient little vassals that they are.
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They are silent because it was Ukraine acting on behalf of the US
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In terms of getting us hooked off that Russian gas it was a good thing, whoever did this.
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ok 👍
To create chaos between their enemies, to create the feeling under civilians that their resources may dry up and let’s not forget, because they’re fucking evil.
This you?
In terms of getting us hooked off that Russian gas it was a good thing, whoever did this.
This you though?
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You can just switch suppliers? Like how is it in your interest to have someone bomb your less competitive supplier? Do libs not have a problem with monopolies even in the abstract??
Why does it make more sense that Russia blew up the pipeline?
To create chaos between their enemies, to create the feeling under civilians that their resources may dry up and let’s not forget, because they’re fucking evil.
They wouldn’t give up the income from gas. Your theory doesn’t make sense. They would either raise prices, close pipeline or invent some other excuse. Note that Russia is still merrily selling gas to Europe.
but not on the scale it has before and germany for example is free of russian gas. They are bleeding money
But that wouldn’t be because Russia wanted it. And I’m not sure that Germany is really free from Russian gas, it’s a mess, probably they are still getting some but at much higher cost. https://energyandcleanair.org/december-2023-monthly-analysis-on-russian-fossil-fuel-exports-and-sanctions/
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It makes more sense that Russia blew up their own very valuable pipeline because I already decided they’re evil removed and by default guilty of everything!
They could have done all that by shutting the valves on their end. Or ‘discovering’ a crack that needs an, uh, six month-long maintanence. The closing of the pipe may be a good thing, but it’s pretty clear who did it.
But those sweet, sweet gas money!
Oh, i see. Thanks.
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
After investigators delved into a series of undersea explosions that blew apart the Nord Stream natural gas pipelines linking Russia to Western Europe in fall 2022, intelligence agencies came to a general agreement: The evidence pointed toward pro-Ukraine forces, even if the question of who might have been directing them remained a mystery.
It even refused to team up with its closest neighbors, Denmark and Germany, a sign of how nervous the issue was making officials in Stockholm at a moment when it is still maneuvering for acceptance into the NATO military alliance.
In an email Wednesday, Mr. Ljungquvist, the national security prosecutor who made the decision to close Sweden’s investigation, said the question of jurisdiction was more complicated than where the crime had been committed.
Mr. Ljungqvist declined to say more, citing continued confidentiality in the case, which Sweden has the ability to revive, he said, as well as cooperation with German authorities in their investigation into the Nord Stream sabotage.
“The Swedish armed forces continue to monitor the situation in the Baltic and other areas near Sweden,’’ Mr. Adamsson added on Wednesday, “in close cooperation with our international partners, soon allied, we hope.”
The crime scene, along the floor of the Baltic Sea, provided little concrete evidence, something the Swedish authorities acknowledged in the early months of the investigation even as they closely guarded their inquiry.
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