The open source community is really showing itself from the best side by harassing the devs of that repo. I’m sure the devs don’t regret publishing the code…
Sure, the license isn’t the best, but that’s no way to act. With such childish behaviour from contributors, I’d have just taken the code down again. Bunch of children.
You’re acting like releasing the WinAmp source code is like some sort of great gift to open source devs, lol. It’s a community that works based on a set of rules and expectations, if the company doesn’t want to meet those expectations, then an appropriate response is to bully them out of the space (or to bully them into meeting those expectations)
Projects are not entitled to be received gratefully and respectfully if you treat open source devs like a disposable source of free labour.
And the concept of “civility” in the face of corporations telling us what we can and can’t do, can well and truly get fucked.
You’re missing the point. I don’t really care about Winamp. It’s ancient and probably used by about 15 grandpas. The point is the behavior of the people in the issues and pull requests. It’s possible to be polite, but firm and bring a point across. Right now it looks like a pack of dogs barking around thinking they’re witty and clever for doing so.
Projects are not entitled to be received gratefully and respectfully if you treat open source devs like a disposable source of free labour.
Nobody’s forcing anybody to do anything. You’re not forced to contribute in any way shape or form. Winamp hasn’t hired anybody there to write code under bad conditions. Justifying bad behavior “because the other side is doing it” (which isn’t true btw) is just weak.
Right now it looks like a pack of dogs barking around thinking they’re witty and clever for doing so.
Sure, but that’s pretty much any online community. We’re doing it right now. You did the exact same shit in your original comment where you called the GitHub commenters a bunch of children. We are the dogs in the mirror, if you want to change that culture, be the change.
Personally, I don’t think that being a smarmy prick in the comments of some corporation GitHub repo is “bad behavior”. It’s definitely not as bad as profiting from the exploitation of unpaid or underpaid labor, anyways.
When corporations destroy lives, it’s “just business”. But when people refuse to act civilly towards or about corporations, it’s “childish” and “immature”. In that case, I am very proud to be an immature child telling the adults that they’re brainwashed obedient drones complying with the will of then ruling elite.
I don’t think you have a point. You’re shaming people in a community who don’t give a fuck about your concern trolling. Calling out shitty organizations for shitty behavior in the loudest way possible is often the only way to enact change. There’s a distinct power imbalance between companies that have money and resources versus individuals in the open source community. Polite and firm are useless unless you have additional leverage.
This whole thing sounds more like a way to get some pull requests to fix their product for free. That’s not open source. The source code is simply available, that’s all. In the first run they even prohibited to fork it (!!!) while it is necessary to work on this project. They may fixed it, but you are still not allowed to do anything with it, only provide free work. Of course people are not happy with it.
They should delete this repo and change their license if they want contributors for free. Or just hire programmers for money.
Of course. I’m not happy about many things, but that doesn’t give me the right to harass somebody. Pointing out something politely is very different from jumping on a bandwagon and spamming an issue, or creating meme issues and meme pull requests. We should be better than that.
Is that really what we want? Anything slightly popular making a misstep to be hounded by an online mob?
Of course. I’m not happy about many things, but that doesn’t give me the right to harass somebody.
They are not being harassed, but are being shown in this way that their intentions and behavior are more than just shit
Pointing out something politely is very different from jumping on a bandwagon and spamming an issue, or creating meme issues and meme pull requests. We should be better than that.
Is that really what we want? Anything slightly popular making a misstep to be hounded by an online mob?
This is not a misstep. They just don’t want to hire developers for Winamp and rather try to outsource the work to others for no cost. And then they call it copyleft while forbidding anyone to do anything else with the source code except sending them pull requests. That’s disrespectful, rude and simply shameless. This is fully calculated, not a misstep. If it was just a misstep, then I would agree with you about these meme pull requests and so on. Saying this, I absolutely understand why the receive such “feedback”.
The open source community is really showing itself from the best side by harassing the devs of that repo. I’m sure the devs don’t regret publishing the code…
Sure, the license isn’t the best, but that’s no way to act. With such childish behaviour from contributors, I’d have just taken the code down again. Bunch of children.
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The license isn’t the best? That license sucks. Probably one of the worst on Github.
Have looked around lately? This isn’t github.
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You’re acting like releasing the WinAmp source code is like some sort of great gift to open source devs, lol. It’s a community that works based on a set of rules and expectations, if the company doesn’t want to meet those expectations, then an appropriate response is to bully them out of the space (or to bully them into meeting those expectations)
Projects are not entitled to be received gratefully and respectfully if you treat open source devs like a disposable source of free labour.
And the concept of “civility” in the face of corporations telling us what we can and can’t do, can well and truly get fucked.
You’re missing the point. I don’t really care about Winamp. It’s ancient and probably used by about 15 grandpas. The point is the behavior of the people in the issues and pull requests. It’s possible to be polite, but firm and bring a point across. Right now it looks like a pack of dogs barking around thinking they’re witty and clever for doing so.
Nobody’s forcing anybody to do anything. You’re not forced to contribute in any way shape or form. Winamp hasn’t hired anybody there to write code under bad conditions. Justifying bad behavior “because the other side is doing it” (which isn’t true btw) is just weak.
Anti Commercial-AI license
Sure, but that’s pretty much any online community. We’re doing it right now. You did the exact same shit in your original comment where you called the GitHub commenters a bunch of children. We are the dogs in the mirror, if you want to change that culture, be the change.
Personally, I don’t think that being a smarmy prick in the comments of some corporation GitHub repo is “bad behavior”. It’s definitely not as bad as profiting from the exploitation of unpaid or underpaid labor, anyways.
When corporations destroy lives, it’s “just business”. But when people refuse to act civilly towards or about corporations, it’s “childish” and “immature”. In that case, I am very proud to be an immature child telling the adults that they’re brainwashed obedient drones complying with the will of then ruling elite.
I don’t think you have a point. You’re shaming people in a community who don’t give a fuck about your concern trolling. Calling out shitty organizations for shitty behavior in the loudest way possible is often the only way to enact change. There’s a distinct power imbalance between companies that have money and resources versus individuals in the open source community. Polite and firm are useless unless you have additional leverage.
Enjoy being rude on github then 🤷 I’m sure your reasons for being mean are justified and help the image of the opensource community 👍
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Clinging to absolute morality leads nowhere. You shouldn’t punch down.
“Be nice”
“That’s not very nice”
Wat?
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This whole thing sounds more like a way to get some pull requests to fix their product for free. That’s not open source. The source code is simply available, that’s all. In the first run they even prohibited to fork it (!!!) while it is necessary to work on this project. They may fixed it, but you are still not allowed to do anything with it, only provide free work. Of course people are not happy with it.
They should delete this repo and change their license if they want contributors for free. Or just hire programmers for money.
Of course. I’m not happy about many things, but that doesn’t give me the right to harass somebody. Pointing out something politely is very different from jumping on a bandwagon and spamming an issue, or creating meme issues and meme pull requests. We should be better than that.
Is that really what we want? Anything slightly popular making a misstep to be hounded by an online mob?
Anti Commercial-AI license
They are not being harassed, but are being shown in this way that their intentions and behavior are more than just shit
This is not a misstep. They just don’t want to hire developers for Winamp and rather try to outsource the work to others for no cost. And then they call it copyleft while forbidding anyone to do anything else with the source code except sending them pull requests. That’s disrespectful, rude and simply shameless. This is fully calculated, not a misstep. If it was just a misstep, then I would agree with you about these meme pull requests and so on. Saying this, I absolutely understand why the receive such “feedback”.