We need a Lemmy dictionary so someone can finally clarify what people mean when they say “liberal”
The list will be long, and some item will be contradicting.
Not it is super short. Liberals are people who believe in free market capitalism.
Naw, those are free market capitalists your thinking of.
Liberalism is the ideological backbone of Capitalism. Capitalists are Capital owners, not just supporters of Capitalism.
Seems like it’s much simpler than that. At least for right wingers:
“Someone who advocates for ideas that frighten me.”
Liberals are people who believe in free market capitalism.
So how does that definition fit into your meme? It is about colonialists and racists.
Imperialism is the highest stage of capitalism and racism is one expression of it
I think you should check your definitions because nothing in that comment is correct.
Imperialism, capitalism and racism have no inherent overlapping whatsoever. Each can exist without the other two.
Capitalism needs always growing and expanding markets in order to keep giving the owners of capital with surplus value; therefore, it colonized inhabited lands to tap on new markets and uses the population of over exploited countries as slave labor for maximum profits. It uses race and racism as a convenient story to justify why the slaves are in the position of slaves and why the native people were genocided to take their land. This is why imperialism is the highest stage of capitalism and racism is a tool of capitalism. To learn more about this please read
Youre saying red is the highest form of apple because you saw an apple become red when ripe. Those are mere historical anecdotes and have nothing to do with the general meaning of the words. I wont keep playing this game with you, keep trolling elsewhere please.
You are literally just trying to be a contrarian here. The historical context of the meme is American history if you didn’t notice. Therefore, my definitions are correct in the economical and historical context. You are literally just trying to move the conversation away from the actual issue. I am not playing that game. You can go and troll elsewhere.
Is this what passes for bait these days? Shoo, go on, git. Back to your imageboard.
Tell me that you are a troll without telling me that you are a troll.
Shoo! Don’t make me get the broom!
Or, get this, every white person in this meme is a different person, and the last one is completely unrelated to the above ones.
The last white person has original sin because other white people were racist pieces of shits.
How about we stop fighting racism with racism, and instead try to unite against the elites?
Tell me that you dont know shit about critical race theory without telling me that you don’t know shit about critical race theory. Lmao, you can’t be racist against white people because no other group has the means to actually oppress them.
Also, white people benefit from white supremacy which they enforce with systematic racism, hold almost all of the wealth of the country, hold the vast majority of the positions of power, are the least likely to be incarcerated unjustly while are the most likely to incarcerate black and brown people unjustly and tend to vote right wing and right wing policies against marginalized groups. Also they own the most amount of stolen land from native people and refuse to give it back. They are the ones who vote against constructing affordable housing in their neighborhoods to keep marginalized groups away, while they keep enjoying the land that they stole. They refuse to give reparations to marginalized groups. They refuse to give the descendants of slaves the plantation land that they worked on. And they recently voted against ending prison slavery.
Get away of here with you cracker ass reverse racism bullshit. White people as a group are horrible pieces of shit.
Nice racism, bro. The literal dictionary definition of racism includes against white people. Whether the target is a marginalized group is not relevant whatsoever.
You just wants to be racist but also think you are morally right to be so, and posts like yours only serve the right-wing. Kindly remove your bigot self from Lemmy.
You are so confidently wrong that is funny, honestly.
the systemic oppression of a racial group to the social, economic, and political advantage of another
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism
Edit: It is so funny that white people believe that they can be the victim of racism when they literally created a system that makes that impossible. The system created by them is done to screw all marginalized groups and keep their white asses on top of the global hierarchy
You are so cherrypicking definitions, you think you’re cute.
a belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race also : behavior or attitudes that reflect and foster this belief : racial discrimination or prejudice
Hey, that sounds just like you.
You are literally the one cherry picking definitions when systematic racism is the system that we live on, which literally benefits white people. The definition that you are using is literally an outdated definition only used by right wing ideologues when they want to take away any programs or services that help close the gap between whites and non-whites like Affirmative Action because they are “racist”.
You sound like Trump in this video honestly
https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/s/Eb0sDIrLjS
Criticizing white people as group for creating systematic racism and keeping it alive and voting against marginalized groups doesn’t hold your definition. People like you just hate when white people are called in their bullshit lmao.
I guess that Martin Luther King was a racist for criticizing White Liberals and Black Liberation people were racist for criticizing white people treatment of blacks.
But of course, oppressors always say that the oppressed are racist when they criticize their groups. Just see Zionists say that Arabs are racists for criticizing Israelis lmao.
So gladly remove your ignorant right wing ass from Lemmy. Your policing against minorities won’t be missed. Your bigotry against minority groups won’t be missed. White people will be criticized for the all the bullshit that they have done, do and will keep doing until white supremacy stops existing.
Your are literally only helping keep white supremacy stay alive with your argument.
My definition is the number 1 definition on the dictionary you linked.
And here’s how definitions work:
If you fall under only a single of the definitions, you are as defined. I.e. maybe you don’t have a systemic advantage over me, (neither do I over you, because I don’t live in the US and am a racial minority in the country I live in), you are still racist under the other just as valid definitions. They’re not outdated definitions, they’re official and still very much valid definitions that apply to you, a racist.
I am not helping the right one bit, you are radicalizing the right by spreading hate against people who had nothing to do with building the system, or had anything to do with slavery. Why would anyone listen to a raging lunatic calling them all sorts of slurs? They’ll think “the fuck is wrong this person?”
You are so blinded by hate, and so motivated to “get back at the oppressors” you would attack an entire race over it. Go outside.
Your definition is literally useless and outdated because it doesn’t take into consideration neither power dynamics nor the global systematic racism created by white imperialist countries which has existed for hundreds of years by this point. That is why in critical race theory, which actually studies how race affects groups in a scientific manner, only the second updated definition is used.
You are literally helping the right so much by calling any criticism of the oppressor group as racist. This group literally created a system of oppression that keeps marginalized groups oppressed all over the world and constantly votes for policies that reinforce their supremacy in the system. That is pure right wing ideology.
Bro, you literally don’t understand anything and just keep repeating the same nonesense over and over. It is making my head hurt honestly. Please read on critical race theory and stop spewing nonesense. Once you get yourself educated on power dynamics reach back to me. But meanwhile, please don’t waste my time with ignorant smart ass remarks from someone who doesn’t obviously know anything.
That’s a lot of words for just saying “I just love being racist”.
What exactly do you want me, the average white guy to do? Hang myself in the street because my ancestors were assholes? I acknowledge they were assholes and they built a system that fucks you over. I, a powerless cog in the machine, treat everyone with the same respect i expect for myself. I vote democrat because the alternative is worse for both of us, yet you still hate me. Okay.
I understand your issue. No, don’t hang yourself. You’d just get replaced immediately by another person ‘just following orders’.
It’s true that we’re all virtually powerless in ‘the machine’, but as the analogy would put it, it is via all the ‘powerless cogs’ that the machine is able to crush and destroy at all. You shouldn’t kill yourself, but instead should malfunction so as to damage the machine’s ability to crush, or to change it’s function entirely.
Education is one part, and the best education is realizing what you’ve been deprived by uncle Sam. You have no power because you’ve been deprived of what gives you power: privacy; community tied only to mutual uplifting instead of hobbies or less vital matters; a well paying job by which you could actually have meaningful effects on society around you; time unburdened by work or distraction, through which you can self-actualize and forge meaningful bonds; housing which you own, giving you security from undue raises in cost of living and protection from undue eviction.
The second part is community forming, mutual aid, and counter-establishment activism. That and not excluding others based on race, gender identity, homeland, or cultural differences (that’s the rub for many). Essentially, rectifying your ancestors’ mistakes is the same as uplifting ones own situation outside of society’s predefined means, and uplifting everyone alongside you.
> What exactly do you want me, the average white guy to do?
To join socialist organizations that try to destroy capitalism and end white supremacy, and to learn critical race theory and stop this bullshit victim complex that you have whenever anyone calls out the privilege of your group and how your group just fucks everyone else.
> I acknowledge they were assholes and they built a system that fucks you over.
Not just that. They keep upgrading that system to makes it worse and worse for non-whites. white people benefit from white supremacy which they enforce with systematic racism, hold almost all of the wealth of the country, hold the vast majority of the positions of power, are the least likely to be incarcerated unjustly while are the most likely to incarcerate black and brown people unjustly and tend to vote right wing and right wing policies against marginalized groups. Also they own the most amount of stolen land from native people and refuse to give it back. They are the ones who vote against constructing affordable housing in their neighborhoods to keep marginalized groups away, while they keep enjoying the land that they stole. They refuse to give reparations to marginalized groups. They refuse to give the descendants of slaves the plantation land that they worked on. And they recently voted against ending prison slavery.
Hang myself in the street because my ancestors were assholes?
This is literally the most bullshit thing reactionary say to avoid any fucking accountability. You don’t hang yourself. You join Marxist organizations that work towards ending white supremacy, work towards giving the land back to native Americans and to give reparations to black people. But that is hard so you of course won’t do it. It is just so easy to whine that minorities just hate you and do nothing for them because that is the path of least resistance and you can keep benefiting of your white supremacy.
Why don’t you say: I know that my ancestors were demons so I work on orgs to prevent immigrants from being deported, that prevent black people to be unjustly incarcerated, that work for indigenous rights and tries to get rid of white supremacy by destroying capitalism
You won’t because it is so easy to throw a tantrum and complain from your position of privilege saying that you vote Democrat like if the democrats give a shit about anything while they make a genocide, and you call it a day.
That is just typical white complacency and that just does nothing more than to suit your ego for you to have peace of mind while you keep your privilege that your ancestors gave you with war crimes and your group currently maintains with immense violence and oppression against marginalized groups.
So everyone that doesn’t put their life on hold and join you in protest is your enemy. Got it. Enjoy having very few allies. That’s not how you win people over or start any sort of movement. Sympathizers are valuable to your cause too. Maybe you’ll notice that eventually.
White people who don’t do shit are not allies. They literally just keep the status quo that benefits them.
People like you just “support” from the sidelines to suit your ego. You are the friendly face of white supremacy. Your white complacency keeps white supremacy going strong.
Here’s a few questions for you. And you don’t have to answer, just something to consider; What does the everyday white person in this day and age have to do with any of that? Why are you letting a hateful rhetoric control your life? When is the last time you had a discussion with someone not on the internet?
OP, I feel really sorry that your anger at racists has literally turned you racist. You cant fight racism by blaming a whole race for the crimes of some groups.
Welp. This will be stupid.
What universe do you live in? Liberals are like this? 🤣
