If so, what are some misconceptions or seldom known facts?
that hexbear supports the entirety of russia. a lot of times i hear stuff like “they don’t actually care about queer people since they support russia”, which is a gross oversimplification of their views. they hate russia’s reactionary politics.
this misconception i think comes from the war in ukraine, in which if ukraine wins, they get to join nato. hexbear considers nato to be an imperialistic organisation that holds power towards a large portion of the world, and therefore, anything that opposes it should receive support, albeit critical.
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A lot of people have a purist attitude to politics. “Critical support” is a vital part in understanding these positions of Hexbear and others, that one can support a side of a conflict and still be critical of it. Geo-politics isn’t a simple binary. No two groups will perfectly align, but that doesn’t mean they can’t see mutual lines of benefit despite their disagreement. For example, just because someone supports Ukraine doesn’t mean they have to defend everything their government does, such as supporting the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion. It would be absurd to assert that! Similarly, it would be absurd to tell the communists still crying about 1989 that they support the entirety of the capitalist Russian Federation, the same RF that destroyed many of the gains the USSR made for both countries by enabling oligarchs to loot the place and plummet life expectancy.
They don’t have purist politics, though. They support NATO and Genocide Joe. They have a xenophobic imperialist politics.
God forbid a sovereign nation can choose its partners…
Always very annoying listening to dipshits for whom history began in 2022 lament on how Ukraine’s sovereignty was violated and they should be allowed to align themselves without interference. Just as long as they don’t align against the west in which case you perform a violent coup on the behalf of neo-nazis who begin campaigns of ethnic cleansing.
But that didn’t happen doesn’t matter.
There is no scenario where a country can unilaterally help themselves to the internationally recognized territory of another. That this simple truth is even in question to you entirely dismisses any point you are trying to make.
Russia has no claim in any way shape or form to any territory that is not currently internationally recognized as theirs, doesn’t matter if the country was in the SU, Warsaw pact, russian imperial sphere, has russians living there, has russia feel “encroached upon”, or any other imbecilic pretense apologists like to bring forward. It isn’t theirs.
Burgerland occupies Hawaii and part of Cuba just to name a couple of places, but sure it’s defending sovereignty of a nation where it overthrew the legitimate government in a violent coup. 🤡
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE STATES GUYS, THE STATES
Fuck them, i have no love for them either.
Your selective attention betrays your actual position
And what would that be? I think i was pretty clear. I want russia to stay within their borders, for all I care they can oppress each other until the end of days. Though I would, unsurprisingly, not shed a tear if the country collapses. Same goes for the states.
I also already gave you a reason why I don’t believe it a worthwhile use of my time to engage with this literal whataboutism on a serious level.
Usually when you post beneath a comment it’s understood to be a reply to that comment, which doesn’t seem to be the case here because you’re completely talking around everything I said in the comment above.
Speaking of imbecilic though, what’s your point at all? “You’re not allowed to do the thing you did fait accompli because it’s against the rules I made”
Baby brain.
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The other “problem” is that they were their own isolated place for a while which had an attitude of just laughing at or insulting libs instead of engaging (which is perfectly fine for an isolated website, where liberal intruders aren’t welcome), and upon federation suddenly became the largest instance at the time and many kept up that same shitposty dirtbag attitude, like posting PPB or just telling people to fuck off in reply to pro-capitalist arguments. So they quickly earned a collective bad reputation as rude trolls.
an attitude of just laughing at or insulting libs instead of engaging
Patently false. The PPB only comes out when it becomes clear you’re debating in deliberately bad faith.
Honestly anyone in this thread talking shit should pony up their chat logs so their behavior can be examined. 100% you stuck the stick in your own bike wheel.
What a crock. They’re “leftists” in the same way that MAGA people are just “free thinkers.” I can’t say I’ve ever even see a hexbear user make any leftist comments or points of view. From what I’ve seen, they mostly push Chinese and Russian government propaganda under with the facade of being ‘communist’ (again never have I seen any mentions of actual communist economic philosophy from any of their users just anti-western, pro Russian/Chinese government talking points). I don’t even have any issue with anti-western sentiment but when you’re trying to pretend to be the ‘good guy’ while being Putin’s mouthpiece, similar to Trump, I’m going to call you on your bullshit.
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You knew it would derail very quickly because that was your intention with your previous comment trying to paint these people as if they’re a bunch of innocent victims being marginalized for being ‘leftist’. They’re not victims, and they’re not leftist. They’re the same people you would have seen hanging out in /r/The_Donald or 4Chan ten years ago, who only leave their cave to stir up crap, spread disinformation, and brigade others, only now they’re cosplaying as leftists on a new platform.
I’m not surprised that you’re pleased with Trump as him, Putin, and Xi are all birds of a feather who want to control all the power and wealth of the world. These sure don’t seem like the type of icons communists would flock toward if you ask me.
They’re the same people you would have seen hanging out in /r/The_Donald or 4Chan ten years ago, who only leave their cave to stir up crap, spread disinformation, and brigade others, only now they’re cosplaying as leftists on a new platform.
Is this AI generated? Hexbear was around before the Lemmy fediverse even existed. They were on a forked version of Lemmy without acitivitypub for the longest time. If their sole desire was to brigade, isolating themselves doesn’t seem the way to go. Also, they were the first large Lemmy community so who is really brigading, the new people from Reddit or them?
We also know where they were close to 10 years ago it was /r/chapotraphouse lmao
Also, about half their community is trans. Do you really think so many trans people are Trump fans?
The problem I have with hexbear leftists is the same that I have with all the other ones and it is because they are all talk and no action.
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Organizing and wanting to organize are two entirely different things.
I want to be a billionaire with a large dick.
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I used to have an account. I was an old /r/chapotraphouse user before it got shut down.
A dipshit admin got mad when I referenced ridiculous drama that reflected badly on how the site was (and probably still is) being run, insisted to me that it didn’t happen, banned me before I could even post a link or screenshot demonstrating it happened, purged my entire comment and submission history (mostly news and longer pieces I found interesting, nothing even remotely rule breaking or controversial) then proceeded to monitor the creation of new accounts to ban any usernames similar to mine as soon as they appeared.
All of the exact behaviour that would have been endlessly made fun of for being so extremely online and extremely pathetic on the old subreddit.
That admin/mod who did that is now also banned and their posts also purged lmfao. Hexbear in a nutshell.
You have 4 removed comments before the ban, the rest of your history is still very visible in your profile, so they didn’t purge your account, they removed a few comments, which is why it says, “removed by mod”. It’s funny reading your removed comments. The downvote removal is looked back on as a pretty good change. I’ve not used the site when it had downvotes, but frankly, I like that they’re gone. I don’t even know what the “main” issue is, and I’ve never heard anyone talk about it. The site has never struck me as a “Chapo” site, even though I know that is its origins. I’ve listened to the Chapo pod before, not for me, honestly. Frankly, seems that separating from the Chapo brand was the right choice.
Anyway, 4 years is a long time to hold a grudge.
You have 4 removed comments before the ban, the rest of your history is still very visible in your profile, so they didn’t purge your account, they removed a few comments, which is why it says, “removed by mod”. It’s funny reading your removed comments. The downvote removal is looked back on as a pretty good change. I’ve not used the site when it had downvotes, but frankly, I like that they’re gone. I don’t even know what the “main” issue is, and I’ve never heard anyone talk about it. The site has never struck me as a “Chapo” site, even though I know that is its origins. I’ve listened to the Chapo pod before, not for me, honestly. Frankly, seems that separating from the Chapo brand was the right choice.
Yes, it’s been few years and I hadn’t checked. I thought it had been purged entirely.
The main issue at the time was the general way admins/mods approached every issue, often in the most aggressive and hostile way imaginable and causing lots of unnecessary drama. Downvote removal and the name change of the site were part of a larger, fantastically absurd saga in which nothing was being handled well. With downvotes for example, where it was announced that any opposition to them being removed was innately transphobic, then trans users criticising this approach, only for said trans users to be banned for pushing back.
Anyway, 4 years is a long time to hold a grudge.
Not really “Holding a grudge” when I mention something directly relevant to the thread that asked about Hexbear accounts. It was just a bunch of absurd bullshit that’s part of the very dumb lore of hexbear.
When someone is banned, their posts are automatically deleted, it’s not some crazy admin obsession to ‘purge your entire history’.
This story does appear to be “an admin abused their power to ban me, then that admin got banned for being caught abusing their power”. Which is not uncommon in online communities.
When someone is banned, their posts are automatically deleted, it’s not some crazy admin obsession to ‘purge your entire history’.
Nope. That’s not how it worked at the time. I even still have screenshots of being able to see banned users posts still there from around this time. My comments specifically showed “removed by mod”. I just checked and I can still see a post by an alt I made shortly after being banned (which was then also banned shortly after). So no, banned users did not have their posts automatically deleted.
This story does appear to be “an admin abused their power to ban me, then that admin got banned for being caught abusing their power”. Which is not uncommon in online communities.
That is not remotely what happened. The person in question continued to be a mod for some time. Their eventual banning had nothing to do with what happened to me or others.
There were multiple mods and admins acting this way around this timeframe against many users on the site, so they’d all have had to ban themselves for the same behaviour.
Edit: Actually, now checking again, and the mods account in question doesn’t even have the banned indicator, so I think they may have just deleted their account.
