• bdiddy@lemmy.one
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    1 year ago

    shipping is also trucks dude… and all the other nasty ways we move products around the world…

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      1 year ago

      Sure it is, but I think that’s still better than if every individual needs to drive their own car through half the country to buy coffee. Shipping needs to happen in any way. Sure we could order less stuff from the internet, so individual house door shipping would be less, but that’s a drop in the ocean, compared to the other named factors

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      1 year ago

      Trucks, like cars are on a transition to become EVs, with Tesla leading the industry there as well. Of course people will then complain regarding lithium and other bullshit, hence why I think we should stop listening to extremists.

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        Lol, trash reasoning. “Extremists” that want to start building communities that dont require you to drive everywhere. Just because evs are slightly better then gas doesnt mean its good to keep making cars a centralizing point we build our society around.

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            It ain’t that hard,

            High density places:

            lower parking availability, increase public transport availability and frequency.

            Low density places:

            They need their cars, they can keep them.

            Remove zoning restrictions, and parking requirements

            so there is more mixture of commercial and residential places shortening transport distance, allowing for even avoiding public transport and just walking/biking replacing this.

            More biking infraestructure.

            Fair taxes to car owners,

            that means, othe people not having to support the huge car projects that cost more than they can get from the taxes they do on cars.

            Also regulations on environmental design of cars, basically gaining back the progress we had done on car efficiency that was taken back by everyone wanting an SUV instead of a turismo.

            :)

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                  Sorry but you’re just passing the same leftist propaganda, that all would be fixed if you took the cars from people. Cars are a fundamental part of freedom of movement and taking them shouldn’t and isn’t the solution for anything at all.

                  High density zones are just symptom of the city being overcrowded, and for that there’s really no solution. Public transportation, biking lanes, should existing should be the rule, not a bandaid for the fact that the city you live is overcrowded or its design is utter garbage.

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              1 year ago

              So… you have no solutions?

              My guess would be for EV everything. Plant trees in the city roads to lower the average temperature, the countries themselves should create tax incentives for people to move out from overcrowded cities as well.

              But sure, easy to just end personal vehicles all together right? People like you are the reason our politicians are so shit.

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                Realistically, EVs are useful as a stopgap solution. They could be used to cover the transition as we expand public transit like EV busses, trains, subways, etc.

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                  EVs are basically clean vehicles. All the emissions from them come either from their production or from where their energy comes from. The latter is easily solvable by going nuclear and renewable. Also old EV batteries can be recycled and repurposed as grid storage.

                  There’s no silver bullet to stop CO2 emissions, there’s a shitload of solutions being studied right now that will need to be implemented.

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                Really not a choice, carbon emissiosn have to stop. EVs dont do that. Urban trees are not going to revese climate change. Wow, you’re saying people need to keep lowering denisity.