This is probably relevant:
Japan says China airspace incursion ‘serious violation of our sovereignty’
Japan wouldn’t be interested in an increased US military presence if they weren’t feeling threatened by their aggressive neighbor.
See the map at the bottom of this article: https://www.newsweek.com/china-responds-japan-airspace-violation-danjo-islands-1944781
The plane circled over an area near the islands, then dipped a toe into Japanese airspace. China says it was unintentional.
Responding with an escalation of missile deployments is not exactly proportional. Escalation in general is a very risky thing and doing so casually is reckless and can get people killed.
China is full of shit about it being unintentional, they’ve been playing grey zone games for quite a few years now and the nations around them have caught on. I’d argue missile deployment is exactly proportional to an unplanned breach of airspace by a military asset. It’s historically a pretty good idea to build up your defense when a neighbor is brandishing their military on your borders
Yeah, the person above you seems to be ignoring the fact that them breaching their air space for the first time is an escalation, not to mention China has generally been escalating it’s rhetoric recently.
It could be argued that China is feeling pressured to escalate (due to external events or US escalating trade/policy stances), but threatening a missile system is more signaling “keep this up and we’ll respond”.
Yeah, the person above you seems to be ignoring the fact that them breaching their air space for the first time is an escalation, not to mention China has generally been escalating it’s rhetoric recently.
Surely this makes offensive missiles designed for nukes a proportional response to a plane with no weapons briefly dipping a toe into Japanese airspace over ocean on one of its several circles.
I haven’t ignored anything, I’m just aware of how absurd this is. No one saying this is a reasonable response can claim to care about escalation.
It could be argued that China is feeling pressured to escalate (due to external events or US escalating trade/policy stances), but threatening a missile system is more signaling “keep this up and we’ll respond”.
By nuking them?
Just because a weapons platform is capable of using nuclear warheads doesn’t mean we are going to hand said warheads over. The system has plenty of conventional warheads. Deployment of a weapons system as a deterrent is proportional.
You’re spreading Chinese lies.
Just because a weapons platform is capable of using nuclear warheads doesn’t mean we are going to hand said warheads over. The system has plenty of conventional warheads.
The weapons system was prohibited specifically because of its use with nuclear weapons. This is its distinguishing feature. This is the “message” being sent, though it also isn’t just a message because it is an actual offensive weapon.
Deployment of a weapons system as a deterrent is proportional.
It is obviously not.
You’re spreading Chinese lies.
I am? Which ones? Are Chinese lies a special kind?
Sounds to me like you are flirting with xenophobia.
In the context of this particular discussion, China = The CCP ≠ The Chinese people.
As far as which one are lies? Your entire post history is nothing but Chinese propaganda and lies.
It’s not xenophobic to call out CCP bullshit like the shit you are spouting. That’s called being a good human.
A plane with no weapons circled near some islands and dipped a toe into a tiny sliver of Japanese airspace - over water - in a single pass. Check the map.
China is full of shit about it being unintentional, they’ve been playing grey zone games for quite a few years now and the nations around them have caught on.
Your intellectual insight is to claim that this flight path was entirely designed around that one pass entering Japanese airspace? Perhaps you can share your spy recordings where they say, “surely this is how we will advance our cause”.
I’d argue missile deployment is exactly proportional to an unplanned breach of airspace by a military asset.
That flight path with a toe dip into airspace over ocean vs. missiles designed to carry nukes. Do you not understand the difference between offensive nuclear weapons and maybe hearing a plane flying offshore?
It’s historically a pretty good idea to build up your defense when a neighbor is brandishing their military on your borders
Are you afraid of that plane and its flight path? You’re using language as if it is a weapon and threat.
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Sounds like you have no counterarguments. And I did not issue any personal attacks, though clearly your comment is just a hackneyed attempt at insulting someone with a realistic political understanding. Or do you think it is a personal attack to lightly make fun of absurd claims? One can only guess.
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You sound upset and are not saying particularly coherent things. It’s okay if you want to take some time to collect yourself, I don’t care about the timeline on which you respond.
For example, you seem upset about perceived personal attacks even though I made none, but seem giddy to be insulting me. Ask yourself if this is correct and good behavior and if you believe you are following the golden rule. Presumably you were taught these things growing up.
Re: it being a reconaissance plane, this is still not an actual offensive weapon nor is it comparable to something banned because it was meant for nukes.
Re: DF17s, if your argument is that parity is justified then you would presumably justify Chins increasing the size of its military and weaponry about 10X and establishing several large bases circling the US, right? Or would you interpret this as a threatening escalation that must be met with even more weapons and capabilities encircling China?
They don’t have to pay for it and in a rapidly aging country with a very low birth rate they may not have enough people of military age to put together an army at this point.
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Sorry but based on the Nippon Steel controversy we cannot trust Japan with a steel company so therefore we cannot trust them with advanced missile tech.
Its really easy, stop poaching your neighbors territorial waters & threatening Tawain with invasion and you wouldnt need to care about this at all.
How foolish. Japan violently occupied Korea. After the USA nuked Japanese civilians, they took over Japan’s dominance of Korea, threatening both Russian and China. The USA was internally debating nuking Korea and also invading China.
When the Vietnamese revolted against French colonial rule, the French brutally repressed them, but still lost. The USA came in to maintain that colonial dominance and destroyed Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia, all in positions to threaten China.
The Dalai Lama’s brother has written a book expressing his regrets around working with the CIA as they used the Dalai Lama and his family to threaten China. The USA was training Tibetan terrorists and literally airlifting them into Tibet to create violence and chaos and undermine China.
When China underwent a civil war and the losers fled to Taiwan and established a brutal fascist dictatorship and executed the White Terror, the USA and UK blockaded the island to prevent the civil war from continuing because the West wanted the fascists to win.
It’s real simple, the USA needs to get the fuck out of Asia entirely, they need to stop withdrawing from nuclear treaties, they need to stop occupying Korea, they need to stop training terrorists in East Asia, they need to remove their 600 international military bases, they need to get rid of their immunity for their soldiers from any and all crimes they commit on foreign soil, they need to drop their policy of invading The Hague if a USA official or soldier is ever tried by the ICC, they need to stop trying to undermine MAD and developing nuclear first strike capabilities, and they need to stop brutal sieges of nations all over the world causing shortages of food and medicine.
Yeah but have you considered that they endanger our hegemony therefore they’re bad?
The Dalai Lama’s brother has written a book expressing his regrets around working with the CIA as they used the Dalai Lama and his family to threaten China
Do you know the name of the book?
The Noodle Maker of Kalimpong
Thank you!
Gee, nothing to see here, just some normal US troops less than 2 miles from mainland China
The National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) in 2023 paved the way for their arrival to conduct training programs for troops on Taiwan’s front line.
100% legal.
The US has declared its own overseas military deployments legal. All is well. Ford is in his Flivver.
I’m not sure what your apprehension is… it’s not like they are forcing it on Japan against their will…
The US demilitarized Japan after they were defeated in WWII, with the Japanese preferentially surrendering to the US to hope for a better deal. The US then established a bunch of bases there. The point of this was to (1) prevent Japan from remilitarizing as its own imperial power and (2) use it as a forward base against the USSR and China.
The US is still using Japan to do this and important segments of the Japanese ruling class are trying to remilitarize Japan itself, both coordinating against China.
Finally, Japan has questionable sovereignty. Japan’s economic downtown in the 90s was “synthetic” in the sense that it was created by US-led fiscal policy and not any “natural” result of their economy. I’m sure much of its political class is aware of this. And they are still basically militarily occupied by the US given those *massive" bases, many of which are very unpopular with the locals. Just ask Okinawa.
And again, this is a plane doing a small toe dip on one route vs. long-range missiles designed to be able to carry nukes. Incredibly disproportionate.
My understanding is that after the war, the US agreed to defend Japan. And Japan is still allowed to defend itself against others too. I don’t understand how what you’re saying is related at all.
The US occupied Japan. The agreement wasn’t exactly one made by equals. It was the same kind of deal as the Marshall Plan.
Which parts of what I said don’t seem related?
Taiwan, the island occupied by Japan during the war then the nationalists ran off to it and declared themselves independent because Mao didn’t have a navy? Imagine if the republicans ran off to Hawaii and declared independence then China formed a military alliance with them.
