• MBM@lemmings.world
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    1 day ago

    I’d put a lot more blame on the grifters purposely aiming to radicalise boys

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      14 hours ago

      Let’s not lie & pretend as if the “radicalization” (as you decided to call it) was created in a vaccuum

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        8 hours ago

        What pushes people to grifters is reading endless, pointless internet arguments where neither side is compromising.

        This is how we all learned to socialize, in bullshit threads like this, and this is why all you young people are so fucking lonely.

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      1 day ago

      Radicalisation on one side always leads to radicalisation on the other, ending up with both sides using the other’s ridiculous fringe ideas as justification for their own.

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        8 hours ago

        And it all starts from people reading the endless, pointless, contention-filled threads like this, where two sides are arguing bitterly about nonsense, not giving in an inch, and not resolving anything.

        What do you mindless drones out there think this is doing to your brain? Has anyone of any gender been helped by reading any of these stupid arguments about sharks and bears?

        The answer is no. The younger generation who was raised by these terrible posts and terrible, wastes-of-time arguments and persecution olympics is desperately, chronically ALONE.

        So yah, lets all just keep stirring this soup of loneliness as we all train ourselves to stop socializing like humans and view everything through the lense of internet arguments. I’m sure it will start to show positive impact annnnny day now.

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          10 hours ago

          There definitely was.

          Cyberbullying german girls because the german word “digga” sounds similar to “nigger” and unironically advocating that germans shouldn’t use words that sound similar to slurs in english because “they should be responsible and avoid hurting others”.

          Or tankies simping for the mass murder of “anti-revolutionaries” in the USSR or the PRC

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      16 hours ago

      By grifters you mean the only people willing to say that it’s okay for men to be men? Gee, I wonder why young men go to them rather than the ones telling them to man down.

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        10 hours ago

        No. We mean people like andrew tate. These guys aren’t men, They’re assholes. They don’t teach you how to be “men”, they teach you how to be assholes.

        No real man thinks he’s “high-value” and definitely doesn’t think women are worth less or deserve to be treated like shit.

        That’s not real men, that’s assholes.

        And yes, I’m gatekeeping the term “Man”.

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          I’m not defending Andrew Tate here. My point is that when there is nobody else for these young men to look up to then they go to the only ones available.

          Name one good male role model you approve of.

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            Bob Ross
            Steve Irwin
            Bill Nye
            Alton Brown
            Sam Reich
            Brenon Lee Mulligan
            Ify Nwadiwe
            Matt Mercer
            Jazza (Josiah Alan Brooks)

            Likely your dad/uncle/older brother, or a friend’s dad/uncle/older brother
            A teacher

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          The point is that who do you expect the young men to go to? The only people willing to speak up for them are the types of Andrew Tate, Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson, Jocko Willink, David Goggins etc. Can you name a male role model you approve of?

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              11 hours ago

              You kidding, right? I almost said that Aragorn doesn’t count as they’re a fictional character.

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                Fictional or not, you copy their virtues. Men need role-models that will not use & discard them (like Andrew Tate)

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        14 hours ago

        It’s not okay to harass women. Stop defining that as a male feature. Gross.

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          14 hours ago

          Don’t act as if I said somethig I didn’t only because it’s then easier to argue against.

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            14 hours ago

            The shark was harassing her.

            She said stop in animal language.

            If you are personalizing this: you are the problem. You are not a victim.

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              13 hours ago

              Lmao at “The shark was harassing her”.

              These sharks have brains the size of a pea, they only acted on instinct, the male because he felt a procreation need and the female because sharks see everything as food that moves.

              Humans are wildly different, we have recreational thoughts and can restrain our actions. That‘s good because males are on average much stronger than females and would absolutely force themselves on them if they had no moral compass.