Why did they put coup on quotation marks. The coup isn’t in question
Oh but it is in question. Just ask literally any lib in the fediverse. The Narrative tells us that all of that was just part of how Ukraine is democratic, unlike the totalitarian Russia. If it was a coup, then it was a coup that the wholesome Ukrainian people (none of them Nazis) all wanted. Only the tankies, having fallen for the Russian Disinformation and become Russian bots themselves believe that it was a actual “coup,” so we always have to put it in scare quotes and snicker about how easily misled the authoritarian tankies are. Have you been living under a rock or something, tankie?
Edit: Seriously though, articles like this are taken by the liberals as more evidence that the coup didn’t happen, you know, because the evil
VoldemortPutler said it. That’s literally what the scare quotes are about. The article is reinforcing the false idea that the coup is just Russian disinformation, relying on the fact that they’ve already made everyone believe that Putin is the villain antagonist of the story they’ve crafted. They’re expecting everyone reading to roll their eyes at the “dictator” and say to themselves the same kind of foolish thing bobzer@lemmy.zip said below, casting doubt on the fact that the coup happened.Have you been living under a rock or something, tankie?
I try to lol. I honestly can’t imagine what libs actually think is the reason for the war.
The liberals just think that there are inherently evil people like story book villains who have to play the role by throwing a wrench in what would otherwise be a perfectly peaceful and happy capitalist world order since that’s what antagonists do. It’s a form of Great Man Theory; everything would be fine if it weren’t for the bad guys, in this case Putin, who just want to take over for the sake of their own personal vanity. There doesn’t need to be any reasons for the war beyond that for liberals. It’s only materialists who have to worry about looking for material causes of things.
How can you call yourself a socialist when you support a fascist dictator (Putin) running a failing hyper-capitalist petro-state (Russia) conducting an imperialist war of aggression in Ukraine?
Sounds like you’re a liberal just wearing a tattered old Soviet hat. You’re the same as Americans cheering on their imperialist adventures.
How can you call yourself socialist when you lick the NATO boot and repeat US state foreign policy?
Sounds like you’re a scratched iberal. You’re indistinguishable from a blue MAGA cheering on the us imperialist adventures
I haven’t expressed any support for the US or NATO.
You do when you repeat their talking points
It’s impossible to exclude the US, EU and NATO involvement from the whole conflict, including the Maidan coup. Since before 2014, the region was already under a geopolitical dispute. One side (the Ukrainian right) who assumed the government were very much pro EU, ousted the more neutral president and made illegal all opposition parties. So it’s not a matter of whether you like Russia or not, this is a geopolitical conflict.
Yeah, that’s a good example
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was anyone waiting for him to go and say “whoops, all my fault” or what
I mean yeah
If the war is too hard for Putin, he can get out of Ukraine and go to the Hague to be judged for his war crimes lmao
But Ukraine has had elections since 2014…
Rigged, of course
Yah, that’s the crisis.
I don’t think a fascist dictator can legitimately accuse anyone of a coup.
It was a coup. That’s just an objective thing that happened regardless of this article or the quatation from Putin
Why not? Can a murderer not point out a murder?
Apparently not. Russia’s had their license to whitedom revoked, which lasted between the 90s and late 2000s, so only bad-bad things happens in Russia and all good-good democratic things happens in the West (which they are no longer a part of), sweaty. They need to apply to renew their license so they can do good-good things.
People need to understand what fascism is before calling everyone a fascist. I have no love for Putin and I think he is a piece of shit, but he is no fascist.
Luckily putin is neither fascist nor a dictator.
Yeah, fifth term and 88% of the vote.
Totally legitimate. Definitely not dictator for life.
Was Merkel dictator for life too?
Yet another westerner who can’t imagine that a politician can be popular.
How to be popular:
- Use a loophole to run for a third term of presidency by becoming prime minister.
- Rewrite the constitution during your third term to remove your term limit.
- Jail your political opponents.
- Assassinate critics.
- Only allow approved opposition to run.
- Brutally crush any democratic protests.
- Force government employees to vote for you.
- Start a war to rally support for yourself.
Take lots of weird, shirtless, old-man photos.
Sorry, but nothing you said is uncommon in your democratic countries
Use a loophole to run for a third term of presidency by becoming prime minister.
Macron used a loophole to do a very unpopular retirement pension reform bypassing congress.
Rewrite the constitution during your third term to remove your term limit.
Didn’t know amending the constitution or re-writing it was anti-democratic. Then no democratic country would ever pass this test.
Jail your political opponents.
Like Ukraine did? https://apnews.com/article/europe-ukraine-arrests-business-government-and-politics-f50da684fab61add42348d276482477c
Or like Germany is doing right now?
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/germany-crackdown-israel-gaza-jewish-activist
Assassinate critics.
Learn about COINTELPRO.
Only allow approved opposition to run.
Ukraine again:
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/3/21/why-did-ukraine-suspend-11-pro-russia-parties
Brutally crush any democratic protests.
Can you not see what is happening right now to anti-genocide protesters? Also what about Odessa massacre?
https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/the-odessa-trade-union-massacre-ten-years-later/
Force government employees to vote for you.
AFAIK, vote is still done in secrecy in Russia.
Start a war to rally support for yourself.
Like, the Iraqi, Lybia, Afghanistan and Iran wars? Or Yugoslavia?
Take lots of weird, shirtless, old-man photos.I think you have some kind of kink with Putin, why does this have anything to do with being democratic or not?
TLDR;
That said, the points you listed are not uncommon in any democratic countries. Unless you say that no country is democratic, therefore I will agree with you. Neither Russia nor any other country in the West or in any part in the world is actually democratic.
This seems tame compared to the shit western rulers are pulling
He’s pointing n out why he is a facist dictator. Not addressing the west. He’s answering the question and this whataboutism and straw man shit is on you.
Putin is a conservative, a right winger, a nationalist, a capitalist pig, you name it. I won’t deny it. But calling him a fascist is not knowing what fascist is about.
Also, I have no problem in saying Russia is not democratic. As long as you don’t use it as an argument to justify any attack against Russia or Russians, since no place in the world is actually democratic.
Stalin 2.0 Don’t believe a word he says.
When reddit sends their libs they’re not sending their best
The quality of the trolls, is how we know we have organic trolling over at lemmy as opposed to astroturfing. 🤣
Go ahead. Make your educated case based on your research on how Putin is Stalin 2.0.
I’ll wait.
If only, then the Russian Federation would be socialist and not still recovering from the economic devastation capitalism and shock therapy brought.
Bait used to be believable.
