• Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml
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    6 hours ago

    Zelensky knows he’s out as soon as the war ends. He’s going to try to prolong it indefinitely

    • bubblybubbles@lemmy.mlOP
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      15 hours ago

      Haha yea, because western “media” is SO much more trustworthy 😂😂😂😂😂😂

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          8 hours ago

          Yes it is 100% controlled by the Russian government. It is not a good news source unless you want to read what Putin wants you to read.

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          15 hours ago

          First ha yea “invading army” abso has nothing to do with trying to stop further NATO expansionism for the US or the fact that the US overthrew Ukraine’s legit elected gov in 2014 for a puppet gov. 2nd, western “news” outlets gets their narratives from the CIA or other US agencies

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            15 hours ago

            Walk me through how Russia’s army taking territory from Ukraine isn’t invading. Explain, as you would to a child.

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              14 hours ago

              If Trump started bombing California, and California called for secession and asked Mexico for aid, and Mexico did so, would Mexico be invading?

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                14 hours ago

                Yes.

                It would also be an invasion if America managed to get rid of The Idiot as a blatantly corrupt foreign-aligned fascist, and then Canada decided they’d quite like Maine.

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                  13 hours ago

                  If your roommate starts threatening you with a knife and the cops come in after you called them to defuse the situation are the cops doing a home invasion?

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    18 hours ago

    Of course I should listen to news about Zelensky from Russia Today News… Not surprised that this conflict of interest was posted to .ml

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    12 hours ago

    Last week I kicked my neighbor’s door open, walked into the living room, and sat down on the floor with a bunch of bags of my stuff.

    They got into a fight with me because they are saying I’m trespassing and a bunch of other crap. They are demanding that I leave their house after cleaning up my mess and taking my stuff back home.

    I generously offered that I could stay permanently in the living room and they could keep the rest of the house, but they are refusing my peace deal! Don’t they realize that I could easily have taken over the whole downstairs, even the whole house? Besides, before their house was built, I used to walk through that empty lot all the time!

    I can’t believe they want to keep fighting and making a worse mess of the living room, so illogical!

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    15 hours ago

    State news apparatus of one of the belligerents blames leader of the country they invaded for “rejecting peace.”

    From a negotiation that country wasn’t invited to.

  • MyBrainHurts@lemmy.ca
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    15 hours ago

    What kind of idiot passes along propaganda from RT?

    Why not just post what trump says as gospel truth too?

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      15 hours ago

      Ur just parroting what western “media” wants you to. RT doesn’t cave to western narratives so the recourse for western “media” is to slander it as “propaganda”

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              11 hours ago

              Unlike you, not only do I read western media extensively, I also have reading comprehension to understand what it’s been saying.

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                10 hours ago

                Oddly enough, saying you comprehend different from actual comprehension.

                Most Western media has been “well, Ukraine’s fucked.” “Long term, can Ukraine survive this war?”

                Are you getting confused between individual battlefield/operational success versus the strategic reality?

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                  9 hours ago

                  For three whole years western media promised that Russia was on the verge of collapse both militarily and economically. They said that Russia is running out of weapons, that Russian troops fight with shovels, that Russian economy is in shambles. Turns out that literally all of it was complete and utter bullshit. Now we’re finally entering the stages where it’s no longer possible to pretend that the west can possibly win the war, and the real world is finally starting to slowly seep through the walls of the media bubble western media created.

                  The only one deeply confused here is you apparently.

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                4 hours ago

                Good words to remember!

                On this one, it’s a little fun to kinda bully someone being a silly Billy. But I’ve got a note on him so if I encounter in the wild, I just ignore, giggle and move on.

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          Every large state actor uses media as a propaganda tool, I‘m sure you know that. Blocking yourself to only get fed one version is … well, how about you build some media literacy and sharpen your critical thinking skills, instead. That way you‘ll be able to really decide for yourself. How long did western media parrot IDF propaganda? Oh, they still do? Damn ol‘ reality!

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            Right, so you’d ignore the NYT on Isreal. Yeah? Or when Al Jazeera defends Qatar.

            Why don’t you feel the same way about Russia Today… on Russia?

            Reaching a conclusion is not a failure of critical thinking skills; it’s what they’re for. You’re not just allowed to recognize consistent bullshit - you’re expected to.

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              14 hours ago

              If you really don’t understand the difference between a news organization with which you disagree and a state actor in all but name, that’s on you.

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                  13 hours ago

                  This feels like one of my trailer park boys exchanges:

                  Julian: Ricky, do you know how stupid you sound right now?

                  Ricky: Yes I do!

                  Thanks for the giggles.

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              14 hours ago

              I was especially talking about blocking lemmy instances, but wasn‘t very clear on that. I‘m with you. Their conclusion was to block the goof‘s instance. By your logic then, they‘d have to stop consuming media period.

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            15 hours ago

            Multiple points of view are useful, the Kremlin’s mouthpiece is not. If you practiced that media literacy you’re talking about, you’d understand the difference.

            And the blocking myself is to be polite so I don’t keep scolding you goofs for choosing the dumbest possible source of “information.”

            Believe me, I know how to find propoganda like RT or trump’s truth social feed, there’s just no value to be gained from them.

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              Yes yes, I wasn‘t very clear here. I didn‘t argue for RT, idgaf about them. I‘m talking about blocking lemmy instances, because of ideologic dissonances. GL, fellow goof.

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        Don’t know much about instances (I’m just a benighted .ca user) but I suppose I should work out how to self defederate from this one if this is the usual.

        Thanks!

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      Self preservation would be one motivation. .

      The 2019 RAND report gameplan for this conflict makes it clear that, if the worst case scenario happens and Russia gets stronger over the course of the conflict rather than being depleted as intended, an offramp should be found immediately to minimize Russian gains. Ukraine is losing the war, and supplies are now limited to a dripfeed. Their suzerain is stating pretty clearly that they expect compliance. – Logically, in line with US think-tanks, the next step is to assassinate Zelensky and find someone more conciliatory.

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      Well they called it peace, so it’s totally different from surrender. There’s no way Russia would ignore the treaty, amass forces at the border, and attempt a push straight for the capitol… again.